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    Quote Originally Posted by Bonez View Post
    Nice wee toodle today over the Saddle Rd the first truck, a low loader with hydraulic lift. pulled over on a gravel siding letting the eight or so vehicles to go past. The second truck, Hall refrigeration unit. we came across speed up to 80kmh, in a 60kph area in the left lane of the passing lane and almost took out the last car in the cue passing which was in front me. I hit the bakes hard. Had the odd Boi racer or newer sedan pass in stupid places. Other wise it was a good ride today. Most of the road users I come across today were fine apart from traveling way too close behind the vehicle in front.

    Shit I almost forgot. There was this dude on a black Honda four who got well ahead of the Hall hauler by passing it on double yellow lines.
    The dude on black Honda will prob get an infringement notice in mail. Most large employers now have dashcams in heavy units as part of OSH and incident reporting. Police welcome forwarding of the footage and post out the bill in mail.

    So it’s ok for you and the car in front to be obviously speeding to try and overtake the truck that is speeding. And to be following at an unsafe distance do you have to “hit brakes hard” to avoid being in an incident?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kickaha View Post
    Several years ago I got a ride Woodend to Picton with a friend of mine who drove it every day towing a B Train, I was surprised how frequently we were held up by car drivers
    Yes your average cage (and some bikers sadly) can often not properly read the terrain ahead...
    If I had a dollar for every time some muppet braked into an uphill constant radius bend...

    Trucks doing same routes often do have an advantage of knowing all the bad bumps and stuff in advance that might unsettle an out of Towner. Then thereÂ’s the priceless unobstructed high rise view from premium cabover euro trucks where you can see through and across corners that are blind to cars.

    The twisty waipunga/tarawera sectionnof napierctaupo Rd, you can prob peg the entire section comfortable at 90k in a properlynloaded modern well maintained unit, absent of course a couple of thetighter bends and bad camber spots.
    But you get someone in a car who doesnÂ’t drive open Rd often or is admiring the scenery and youÂ’ll be crawling at 55-65 for the whole section.
    And god help you if NZTA has switched on the “caution winter driving conditions sign” at Bayview...
    The beauty of these super slow drivers though is they are consistently slow, IÂ’d back off to a 12 sec following distance then compute the time and distance to next safe overtake spot like an F-14 Tomcat missilery system, factoring in their compulsory braking exiting a corner and pull up alongside safely at 90k with perfect timing.
    Done with extreme care of course as they are usually oblivious that other people are on the road, but the sound of 32 tyres peeling past usually wakes up most of them.

    The best one I ever had though was a boy racer car that overtook me in rain, then begged me to come back past as even at 65-70 k he was still aqua planing on all the big puddles that I had previously been pumping off the road for him... The mass of my truck meant it was safely solidly planted at 90k although even 44ton can wander if it gets bad enough...
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    Quote Originally Posted by R650R View Post
    The dude on black Honda will prob get an infringement notice in mail. Most large employers now have dashcams in heavy units as part of OSH and incident reporting. Police welcome forwarding of the footage and post out the bill in mail.

    So it’s ok for you and the car in front to be obviously speeding to try and overtake the truck that is speeding. And to be following at an unsafe distance do you have to “hit brakes hard” to avoid being in an incident?
    Not just a dashcam, but GPS to prove location and vehicle speed. The guys love the feedback from their idiot cam footage...
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    Quote Originally Posted by R650R View Post
    The dude on black Honda will prob get an infringement notice in mail. Most large employers now have dashcams in heavy units as part of OSH and incident reporting. Police welcome forwarding of the footage and post out the bill in mail.t?
    Fun fact. They can't.

    A ticket can only be directly issued to the registered owner of a vehicle if the photo was taken by equipment designated as "approved vehicle surveillance equipment". Speed cameras and red light cameras are approved. Nothing else is certainly not private dash cams.

    So the police, if given the footage, have to write a demand for details to the registered owner, who is legally obliged to identify the rider.

    Which is too much of a faff for the police. With the proliferation of dash cams and go pros there aren't enough cops in the country to chase every complaint. Even when I got out there was too much footage to.pursue via S.118, and cameras are far more common now.

    What you need us a very serious offence, or a friendly cop, who is motivated to follow your footage up.

    Simply put, police decide what to follow up based on availability of staff, public interest, the time, place and circumstances factor, and the can-I-be-bothered factor.

    It might happen, but often not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rastuscat View Post
    Fun fact. They can't.

    A ticket can only be directly issued to the registered owner of a vehicle if the photo was taken by equipment designated as "approved vehicle surveillance equipment". Speed cameras and red light cameras are approved. Nothing else is certainly not private dash cams.

    So the police, if given the footage, have to write a demand for details to the registered owner, who is legally obliged to identify the rider.

    Which is too much of a faff for the police. With the proliferation of dash cams and go pros there aren't enough cops in the country to chase every complaint. Even when I got out there was too much footage to.pursue via S.118, and cameras are far more common now.

    What you need us a very serious offence, or a friendly cop, who is motivated to follow your footage up.

    Simply put, police decide what to follow up based on availability of staff, public interest, the time, place and circumstances factor, and the can-I-be-bothered factor.

    It might happen, but often not.

    So the TL : DR is Police are only interested in easy moneys.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scuba_Steve View Post
    So the TL : DR is Police are only interested in easy moneys.
    The GUMMERMINT gets the money not the police.
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    Quote Originally Posted by R650R View Post
    The dude on black Honda will prob get an infringement notice in mail. Most large employers now have dashcams in heavy units as part of OSH and incident reporting. Police welcome forwarding of the footage and post out the bill in mail.

    So it’s ok for you and the car in front to be obviously speeding to try and overtake the truck that is speeding. And to be following at an unsafe distance do you have to “hit brakes hard” to avoid being in an incident?
    I wasn't following at an unsafe distance nor did I get a ticket Ha ha.. The truck sped up over the legal limit on passing lanes. Get over it.

    The fact I had plenty of clearance ment me and the car behind would not be involved in any "incident" caused by the truck driver to the car trying to get passed on a passing lane. I'm sure the nice police officer would've pointed that out if he bothered to make a complaint using video footage as evidence. And half a dozen witnesses in other vehicles whose regos will be on that video footage
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scuba_Steve View Post
    So the TL : DR is Police are only interested in easy moneys.
    No, they prefer to catch people doing dumb stuff themselves, it's easier than chasing up someone's footage.

    Also remember the evidential chain necessary when footage is used. The person using the dash cam would need to come to any court case, as the officer didn't take the footage. Like I said, it's faff factor. It's just more evidentially efficient for the officer to prosecute what they see themselves.

    Also remember that the police don't get the money from fines. But that just doesn't resonate with most folk, as it doesn't suit their narrative.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rastuscat View Post
    No, they prefer to catch people doing dumb stuff themselves, it's easier than chasing up someone's footage.

    Also remember the evidential chain necessary when footage is used. The person using the dash cam would need to come to any court case, as the officer didn't take the footage. Like I said, it's faff factor. It's just more evidentially efficient for the officer to prosecute what they see themselves.

    Also remember that the police don't get the money from fines. But that just doesn't resonate with most folk, as it doesn't suit their narrative.
    So video footage is no good, but "bro, yea, it happened cause I said so" if acceptable as proof if it's coming from the Police gang?
    Police gang get paid to scam & extort people, might not be direct but they get paid alright.
    Man I'd hate for our legal system to start operating legally, where would the corruption hide then?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scuba_Steve View Post
    So video footage is no good, but "bro, yea, it happened cause I said so" if acceptable as proof if it's coming from the Police gang?
    Police gang get paid to scam & extort people, might not be direct but they get paid alright.
    Man I'd hate for our legal system to start operating legally, where would the corruption hide then?
    Fuck you are full of generalisations. Corruption is all over the place not just in GUMMERMENT DEPTS. such as law enforcement. You sound like one of pritchs Antifa peaceful protestors crowd ffs.

    Break out of that bubble and put some bifocals on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rastuscat View Post
    No, they prefer to catch people doing dumb stuff themselves, it's easier than chasing up someone's footage.
    Unless they ask them if they did what they had been reported as doing ... and they admit it. A mention of photographic evidence being given might sway their decision in trying to deny it.

    Those getting away with such things only encourages them to do it again. AND AGAIN.

    There's more to it than just the Quota ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by rastuscat View Post
    With the proliferation of dash cams and go pros there aren't enough cops in the country to chase every complaint. Even when I got out there was too much footage to.pursue via S.118, and cameras are far more common now.

    What you need us a very serious offence, or a friendly cop, who is motivated to follow your footage up.

    Simply put, police decide what to follow up based on availability of staff, public interest, the time, place and circumstances factor, and the can-I-be-bothered factor.

    It might happen, but often not.
    As I understand ... the dash cams were invented simply for the protection of the vehicles driver. To prove innocence of the driver and guilt of the offending vehicle driver for insurance purposes. Yet you say it's not worth the effort and not legally binding evidence for Police. Exceptions being ... in times when it suits ... then it is essential LEGAL (otherwise they couldn't use it) evidence.

    Your idea of what is "serious" might differ with the driver that is parked in a house. After trying to avoid hitting another vehicle that failed to give way.

    Again ... POLICE Decide what to follow up. Or not.

    Public interest .. Really ..??? So ... nothing to do with Laws and Legislation being ignored.

    I wasn't aware "Public Interest" was held in such high regard by Police. You learn something new every day.

    Job Motivation obviously is not a prerequisite in Policing any more.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Bonez View Post
    Fuck you are full of generalisations. Corruption is all over the place not just in GUMMERMENT DEPTS. such as law enforcement. You sound like one of pritchs Antifa peaceful protestors crowd ffs.
    Be more specific ... great example of generalization though...
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    Quote Originally Posted by rastuscat View Post

    What you need us a very serious offence, or a friendly cop, who is motivated to follow your footage up.

    Simply put, police decide what to follow up.....
    It might happen, but often not.
    Yep that’s what we have friendly local cops, like the local
    Sherriff in small town mericana, that pulls over anyone new in town lol
    And a few ex cops work in our fleet too...
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    Quote Originally Posted by caspernz View Post
    Not just a dashcam, but GPS to prove location and vehicle speed. The guys love the feedback from their idiot cam footage...
    Most of our stuff centres around a bad roundabout where people decide to illegally turn left from right lane marked right turn only. Nothing speed related really.
    Roundabout too small for truck to be in right lane so been a few people under trailers which doesn’t end well.
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