Oddball engines and prototypes

**WilDun** · 14th June 2017, 10:05

When geothermal activity etc. from geysers to volcanoes is constantly spewing emissions (seen and unseen on the surface and deep underwater) into the atmosphere, who the hell do we think we are? ie by believing that we are the cause of all the pollution anyway?

If all the engines on the planet were two stroke, their contribution to pollution would be dwarfed by what naturally comes out of the earth!
Two strokes of today don't spew out stuff like their ancestors did anyway (ie the old Jawas Villiers, Seagull outboards etc.etc) and if the manufacturers had to, they could clean them up even more and provide us with clean simple, powerful and cheap machinery, - it's there if we really want it.
Unfortunately, we want to pay more and more for complicated, heavy and expensive four strokes, just like a lot of people today, who would rather get ripped off by buying bottled water in pretty packages instead of getting the same from the tap for virtually nothing.

There I go again ...... sorry!

**husaberg** · 14th June 2017, 20:09

Originally Posted by WilDun

When geothermal activity etc. from geysers to volcanoes is constantly spewing emissions (seen and unseen on the surface and deep underwater) into the atmosphere, who the hell do we think we are? ie by believing that we are the cause of all the pollution anyway?
!

The hole in the ozone layer just so happened to be above a very active mount Erebus
People who clainmed the NZ high rate of skin cancer on account of it didn't seem to notice the sun comes from the north in NZ.
From memory Mount Erebus produces more chlorinated gasses into the atmosphere in one year than all of the CFCs combined.
As well as a heck of a lot of CO2

**WilDun** · 14th June 2017, 22:43

Originally Posted by husaberg

The hole in the ozone layer just so happened to be above a very active mount Erebus
People who clainmed the NZ high rate of skin cancer on account of it didn't seem to notice the sun comes from the north in NZ.

There you go, so we can now safely conclude that the two strokes in New Zealand are not responsible for the hole in the ozone after all!
I think that the high rates of skin cancer here are due to the lack of brown haze to shield us from the sun as you would expect in the northern hemisphere!

BTW just watched the TT, not a two stroke in sight this year (Suter must think that two stroke development has reached its limit). They were all on four strokes and were still enjoying themselves - how could that possibly be?

**Frits Overmars** · 15th June 2017, 00:17

Originally Posted by WilDun

... just watched the TT, not a two stroke in sight this year. They were all on four strokes and were still enjoying themselves - how could that possibly be?

The absence of beautiful girls at the ball will make the ugly ones happy

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**guyhockley** · 15th June 2017, 05:17

Originally Posted by WilDun

BTW just watched the TT, not a two stroke in sight this year (Suter must think that two stroke development has reached its limit).

"
Suter withdraws from the Isle of Man TT 2017
This year, Suter will not participate in the Isle of Man TT with its spectacular 2stroke Suter MMX 500. Due to major structural changes in the company by additional considerable engineering projects, Suter faces temporary qualified personnel shortage. Eskil Suter, Chairman of Suter Industries, regrets this year’s abstinence from the Isle of Man Senior TT: “Especially as we have improved the MMX 500 after last year’s debut in terms of rideability in a great way, and knowing that the fan base supporting us is huge, it was a hard decision to take.” However, for 2018 Suter is planning to return to the beautiful Isle of Man hoping that last year rider Ian Lougher who was important for the development of the MMX 500 will be available again to ride the beast around the Snaefall Mountain Course.
#SUTERIndustries #MMX500 #IoMTT17"

**guyhockley** · 15th June 2017, 05:24

As the latest edition of Classic Racer has just come out, I figure posting this won't cost them any sales

**WilDun** · 15th June 2017, 09:19

Originally Posted by guyhockley

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Suter withdraws from the Isle of Man TT 2017................the MMX 500 will be available again to ride the beast around the Snaefall Mountain Course.

That is good news - I do hope they can improve the (highly visible) smoke, because that alone will make the average Joe Blow and dumb (but influential) lawmaker hate two strokes, even though that isn't really the problem!
Ultimately Joe Blow is the the one who forks out the cash, he doesn't know (or care) about specifications or how sophisticated it is mechanically, he only goes on visual effect and street cred and if the trend is away from two strokes then no amount of wisdom poured into the mechanical design of the thing will make any difference whatsoever.
Again and again I keep saying that Harley Davidson managed to keep their name an Icon even though they were using pre WW2 technology (certainly early fifties anyway) - how did they do that? - by skilful marketing - similarly H***A put a spanner in the works for two strokes even though two strokes were progressing well ....... how did they do that? - by skilful marketing (and bullying).

Good to see that this year in racing circles that H***A are having a hard time keeping up with the others and at their own game too - maybe they will have to reverse engineer their politics and turn to two strokes for help once more!

Originally Posted by guyhockley

As the latest edition of Classic Racer has just come out, I figure posting this won't cost them any sales

That is a brilliant effort, pity the original didn't manage to establish itself properly (but just to take on the giants at the time was a virtual impossibility) the only person who managed that was Jan Theil ( Jamathi) - he had to join them eventually of course! - but good on him for using his head!

**tjbw** · 16th June 2017, 13:22

Originally Posted by WilDun

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BTW just watched the TT, not a two stroke in sight this year (Suter must think that two stroke development has reached its limit). They were all on four strokes and were still enjoying themselves - how could that possibly be?

I was sorry to hear that John McGuinness crashed during practice at North West 200, breaking various bones. He would have been hard to beat at the TT.

I went to Barcelona, and watched MotoGP! They were struggling with lack of grip, and I saw Marco Marquez come of at the same corner in final practice, and again in qualifying. Race was won by Andrea Dovizioso on a Ducati.

Here's a little video that you may enjoy:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2XXPGE0klmc

**WilDun** · 16th June 2017, 15:23

Originally Posted by tjbw

I was sorry to hear that John McGuinness crashed during practice at North West 200, breaking various bones. He would have been hard to beat at the TT.

I went to Barcelona, and watched MotoGP! They were struggling with lack of grip, and I saw Marco Marquez come of at the same corner in final practice, and again in qualifying. Race was won by Andrea Dovizioso on a Ducati.

Here's a little video that you may enjoy:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2XXPGE0klmc

If only! .......... I'm not as old as those guys (just looks like I am) and it would be great to do that, but the reality (for me anyway) would be "silly old fool"

Then once upon a time I was regarded as a silly young fool - way back in the days when the Wankel engine was going to revolutionize everything! - y'know when men were men and didnt need frilly accessories for their bikes - women were much happier then!

Dovizioso is the most intelligent rider of them all, pity about his compatriot Iannone, what has gone wrong with that guy?

**husaberg** · 16th June 2017, 19:50

Originally Posted by guyhockley

As the latest edition of Classic Racer has just come out, I figure posting this won't cost them any sales

is that missing a page or two at the end?
Anyway its a great read and very pretty bike. the Vic camp ducatis seat and tanks always were nice looking. Being copiedon the works design.
I have a few write ups on the works single kicking arround somewhere.

**ken seeber** · 16th June 2017, 22:00

Originally Posted by husaberg

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Anyway its a great read and very pretty bike. the Vic camp ducatis seat and tanks always were nice looking. Being copiedon the works design.
I have a few write ups on the works single kicking arround somewhere.

Good stuff. I always just love(d) the look of the classic alloy rime (Akront ?), no good for motocross (scrambles then) cos they filled up with mud.

Reckon the inlet system would have been ultimately restrictive, but it was ages ago.

**husaberg** · 16th June 2017, 22:47

Originally Posted by ken seeber

Good stuff. I always just love(d) the look of the classic alloy rime (Akront ?), no good for motocross (scrambles then) cos they filled up with mud.

Reckon the inlet system would have been ultimately restrictive, but it was ages ago.

I think the classic fitment was Borranis, Dunlop used to do them as well. BSA used both sometimes on the one bike.
I have a japanese flanged rim one sitting here at the moment, i think its TX650 i only need the hub as its no good for me as its 19 inch.
they do have a certain appeal.

One of my first posts on KB was about the alpha twins and singles.
https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/s...post1130078505