Poll: Who's going to win on Saturday?

[Mr Skid]

Bennificeries are reliant on the state and will vote for that reliance ie vote for labour, as far as Im concerned if you are relaint on the state you should by default loose your right to vote, if you do not contribute to the economy why should your vote influence it ?

Good idea. While we're at it can we ban gays, cripples, jews and gypsies from voting?

[Wolf]

I don't care who you vote for, just as long as you do vote!

If you are eligible to vote and don't vote this weekend then you have no right to complain when the next government passes legislation you don't like!

I disagree on that - I would say that if you vote for the buggers and they pass legislation you don't like you have no right to complain because you helped put them there, but if you don't vote because you don't think any of them are fit to govern, no matter who gets in you have the ability to say "see, told you they were a pack of arseholes".

Democracy is bullshit and will always be so because the parties we have do not accurately reflect the wants of the people. What are our main choices? Labour and National - neither of which can garner even half of the population's support, let alone a clear majority. That's an indication that both are self-serving and totally out of touch with what the people of this country actually want.

I've seen individual policies within ALL parties that I agree with, and policies within those same parties that I disagree with. No one party embodies all the policies I want - and the same is most likely true of every man, woman and child in this country.

Now, Zed, as a Christian, you can't seriously be suggesting I choose the "lesser of two evils"

[Wolf]

As a student about to graduate, i'm gonna be better off then I am now no matter who wins.

Assuming they keep their promises. I personally don't trust anything said during an Election year. (Jaded, disillusioned, cynical, 42-year-old, curmudgeonly bastard that I am...)

[Indiana_Jones]

I don't care who you vote for, just as long as you do vote!

If you are eligible to vote and don't vote this weekend then you have no right to complain when the next government passes legislation you don't like!

Spoken like a true prodigy

-Indy

[Quasievil]

Respecting women is one thing, a completely condescending approach is something entirely different.

Helen Clark has achieved more for the majority of people in this country in the last six years then the national party has ever achieved. Voting for national will mean the rich will get richer and the poor will get poorer. National's past track record on health and social welfare is appalling and resulted in sending a large number of people below the relative poverty line. As far as I am concerned every person in this country has the right to food, shelter and warmth. Until the national party and Don Brash demonstrate some commitment to ensuring a minimum standard of health then I am afraid I will remain a left wing supporter.

Im not locking horns with you mate ok, Im happy debating stuff, still like you and all that.
Now !
Helen Clarkes Governent has squashed the rights of the majority of people by enforcing the rights of the minority upon them.... for example , the Prostition reforms, the civil Rights bill, the anti smoking legislation, these factors alone stand for Gross social engineering. Thanks to the Labour party, it is now possible for me to own a home in suburbia live next door to a brothel have my ex wife marry a woman while my kid goes to school under a dysfunctional educational qualification system the NCEA (the laughing stock of the world)
if they get in power again, it will be all the above as well as Capital Gains tax, extra 10 cents for petrol per litre next year, a 900 million student debt which will equate to 22500.00 per head of population of debt in 15 years. as well as a society further engineered to enable the minority to take more advantage of the bullshit PC enviroment labour stands for.

The rich getting richer and the poor getting poor I dont agree with, the reason for this is the tax rate will drop to 19 cents in the dollar, 80 % of New Zealanders will get a tax relief, also instant 5c a litre reduction on price for a litre of gas. Also the Labour government encourages and ties the poor to be dependant on the state, this does nothing for the poor THAT makes the poor poor for life. It is no secret that all the benefiveries and students will vote for Labour...... why is that ? the reson is they get a handout, they will vote to keep it.... by that they are dependant and permantley poor.
Every New Zealander has the right to food and shelter and warmth, that can never be comprimised in this country by either party, I would go so far as to say there is no harsh poverty in New Zealand (bold I know) but if youve travelled you will no what I mean.
A vote for the left is a vote to penalize hard working kiwis and a vote to encourage the poor to remain so.

Said all with love Jill

[bungbung]

They will win, unless that big guy is playing, then we may have a chance.

[Quasievil]

Dude, you're as entitled to your opinion as anyone. If people choose to get pissed off because you disagree with them, that's their look-out.

FWIW, I didn't say Uncle Helen was any better or had more integrity. In fact, my lack of respect for Don Brash also applies to Helen Clarke, for pretty much the same reason: I detest liars.

I do disagree with you over the issues with the Queen and the USA - as a Republican, I have no time for the Monarchy (except for historical interest) and Bush deserved to be insulted - he actually deserves to be arrested for War Crimes every bit as much as Saddam Hussein and Osama bin Laden do, IMO.

I also feel that what Helen said on that particular instance is correct - it would not have happened with Al Gore as President.

But, hey, I don't have to like, trust or respect someone to agree with them sometimes - I'm sure that Brash has said a few things that, had I heard them, I would have agreed with him.

Conversely, agreeing with a couple of things someone said does not alter my perception that they demonstrate a lack of integrity - my definition: "Words and deeds in accordance with each other and telling the truth." By my definition, both Brash and Clarke fall seriously short of the mark - but then, they're politicians and therefore morally deficient, once again IMO.

None of the top contenders vying for election have demonstrated integrity to me. In my observation, all have demonstrated an inability to "walk the talk".

YMMV, of course and you have every right to disagree and perceive things differently.

I to am a anti monarchist and pro repbulic nationalist

The point was she is lacking in ability to conduct herself respectfully to other nations and people of importance.
Bush is the terrorist of the world I agree, but USA is a country we must enable trade links with, and that comment was not a enhancing move was it.

[Quasievil]

They will win, unless that big guy is playing, then we may have a chance.

...wtf

[Wolf]

Bush is the terrorist of the world I agree, but USA is a country we must enable trade links with, and that comment was not a enhancing move was it.

It might help us if Gore ever gets in.

[Keystone19]

Im not locking horns with you mate ok, Im happy debating stuff, still like you and all that.
Now !
Helen Clarkes Governent has squashed the rights of the majority of people by enforcing the rights of the minority upon them.... for example , the Prostition reforms, the civil Rights bill, the anti smoking legislation, these factors alone stand for Gross social engineering. Thanks to the Labour party, it is now possible for me to own a home in suburbia live next door to a brothel have my ex wife marry a woman while my kid goes to school under a dysfunctional educational qualification system the NCEA (the laughing stock of the world)
if they get in power again, it will be all the above as well as Capital Gains tax, extra 10 cents for petrol per litre next year, a 900 million student debt which will equate to 22500.00 per head of population of debt in 15 years. as well as a society further engineered to enable the minority to take more advantage of the bullshit PC enviroment labour stands for.

The rich getting richer and the poor getting poor I dont agree with, the reason for this is the tax rate will drop to 19 cents in the dollar, 80 % of New Zealanders will get a tax relief, also instant 5c a litre reduction on price for a litre of gas. Also the Labour government encourages and ties the poor to be dependant on the state, this does nothing for the poor THAT makes the poor poor for life. It is no secret that all the benefiveries and students will vote for Labour...... why is that ? the reson is they get a handout, they will vote to keep it.... by that they are dependant and permantley poor.
Every New Zealander has the right to food and shelter and warmth, that can never be comprimised in this country by either party, I would go so far as to say there is no harsh poverty in New Zealand (bold I know) but if youve travelled you will no what I mean.
A vote for the left is a vote to penalize hard working kiwis and a vote to encourage the poor to remain so.

Said all with love Jill

Me too

Now, what's wrong with owning a home in suburbia, living next door to a brothel having your ex wife marry a woman?

Tax cuts are pure and simple electioneering. Tax cuts only come at the expense of other expenditure - for example health and social spending.
Petrol tax relief - that is definititely political spin

I agree that there are some people who receive benefits inappropriately. However, these people are in the minority. Many people are on benefits due to a range of circumstances that are often historical - often due to poor education for a variety of reasons. Why should we disadvantange people now because of things that have happened in the past. I do think that there needs to be a major reworking of the way the benefit system is structured and I think Labour's policy of a universal benefit will contribute to this. However, this does not change the fundamental principle of social good. Labour has traditionally upheld the philosophical belief that all people in society have the right to participate in society to the best of their ability and will support those who can not. What is the National Party's basic philosophical stance - what do they stand for? They have a bunch of namby pamby policies with no substance. How can we make an educated voting decision on that?

There are two types of poverty - relative and absolute. Absolute poverty exists in New Zealand but is rare because we have a social welfare system that is, on the whole, effective. Relative poverty is rife in this country - this is in relation to the standard of living that the average New Zealander has. Relative poverty will increase along with tax and benefit cuts.

All said in the spirit of lively debate...

[N4CR]

I think the allblacks are going to win - 23-9!

Oh wait... wrong thread.

[Quasievil]

[QUOTE=Keystone19]

Tax cuts are pure and simple electioneering. Tax cuts only come at the expense of other expenditure - for example health and social spending.
Petrol tax relief - that is definititely political spin

Perhaps yes but National is giving the Tax back to New Zealanders who earned the money in the first place, it beats labours comment "there is no huge surplus to enable tax cuts" but you can have the 67 c tax cut in three years . Only to find once the books were opened there was a mystery 7 Billion dollar surplus... why does the labour government need to run a profit, they arent a corporate company are they ? thats our money! And if Labour are so sympathetic to the health, food and educational issues, whats their excuse ???????? while leaning on a pile of money like that "cant see the problems to much money in the way"
Unfortunetly my dear freind Jill, whom I respect and like, that makes a mockery of your said lefty governments idealogical beliefs.

I agree that there are some people who receive benefits inappropriately. However, these people are in the minority

Not true bennificeries make up a huge percentage of our population

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Many people are on benefits due to a range of circumstances that are often historical - often due to poor education for a variety of reasons. Why should we disadvantange people now because of things that have happened in the past.

I agree there must be a safety net but we dont we have a drift net, that does not do these people any good does it ? it helping them really giving them a lifestyle handout, we have career bennificeries in NZ 3rd generation ones, do we keep giiving them handouts ? is that helping them is it ?

Labour has traditionally upheld the philosophical belief that all people in society have the right to participate in society to the best of their ability and will support those who can not.

And those that will not

What is the National Party's basic philosophical stance - what do they stand for? They have a bunch of namby pamby policies with no substance. How can we make an educated voting decision on that?

from the website
• National and personal security
• Equal citizenship and equal opportunity
• Individual freedom and choice
• Personal responsibility
• Competitive enterprise and rewards for achievement
• Limited government
• Strong families and caring communities
• Sustainable development of our environment

There are two types of poverty - relative and absolute. Absolute poverty exists in New Zealand but is rare because we have a social welfare system that is, on the whole, effective. Relative poverty is rife in this country - this is in relation to the standard of living that the average New Zealander has. Relative poverty will increase along with tax and benefit cuts

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We have NO absolute poverty by world standards in this country
What we have in New Zealand is a culture of inherant laziness by a large percentage of the population, this is unfortunetly endorsed by the labour party at the cost of hard working New Zealanders like you and me

also all said in the spirit of lively debate...

[Keystone19]

[QUOTE=Quasievil]

Perhaps yes but National is giving the Tax back to New Zealanders who earned the money in the first place, it beats labours comment "there is no huge surplus to enable tax cuts" but you can have the 67 c tax cut in three years . Only to find once the books were opened there was a mystery 7 Billion dollar surplus... why does the labour government need to run a profit, they arent a corporate company are they ? thats our money! And if Labour are so sympathetic to the health, food and educational issues, whats their excuse ???????? while leaning on a pile of money like that "cant see the problems to much money in the way"
Unfortunetly my dear freind Jill, whom I respect and like, that makes a mockery of your said lefty governments idealogical beliefs.



Not true bennificeries make up a huge percentage of our population

.

I agree there must be a safety net but we dont we have a drift net, that does not do these people any good does it ? it helping them really giving them a lifestyle handout, we have career bennificeries in NZ 3rd generation ones, do we keep giiving them handouts ? is that helping them is it ?




And those that will not



from the website
• National and personal security
• Equal citizenship and equal opportunity
• Individual freedom and choice
• Personal responsibility
• Competitive enterprise and rewards for achievement
• Limited government
• Strong families and caring communities
• Sustainable development of our environment

.


We have NO absolute poverty by world standards in this country
What we have in New Zealand is a culture of inherant laziness by a large percentage of the population, this is unfortunetly endorsed by the labour party at the cost of hard working New Zealanders like you and me

also all said in the spirit of lively debate...

Oh shit, ok, you win, I can't figure out how to do that quote thing so I give up. SHow me how to do that quote thing where you can just quote some parts and I'll try again...

[Quasievil]

[QUOTE=Keystone19]

Oh shit, ok, you win, I can't figure out how to do that quote thing so I give up. SHow me how to do that quote thing where you can just quote some parts and I'll try again...

1/ Hit reply to my note
2/ wrap {quote} tags around the selected text (the last icon on the above bottom right ,looks like a cartoon bubble )
3/ [quote] will appear around that selected text
4/ type your response
5/ do again and again

but you dont have to now youve waved the flag, you can just vote National in defeat ?

[Quasievil]

Oh shit

like poos

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ok, you win

Of course

, I can't figure out how to do that quote thing so I give up

Thats what helen should do

.

SHow me how to do that quote thing where you can just quote some parts and I'll try again

National supporter will help you, just like we will take care of your future