Cook Strait ferries debacle

[Big Dog]

What happened to the BP tank farm?

All the brands used to ship their fuel there and sell it to BP and buy it back with the local additives mixed in. Much as they do from Wiri in Auckland.


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[Big Dog]

My ex was counting on that farm needing to expand one day as a retirement plan.

Needing to buy her land.



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[oldrider]

New plymouth is a port....
I can tell, coz there is this big puddle in the back....
As a port New Plymouth is capable of handling cargo by sea...
as we used to....
now however we get fuel being trucked in.....
not kidding....
the fuel comes all the way from a port on the other side of this island,
to this side of island by TRUCK......

Now dont misunderstand me, on a personal level, I like most truckies,
Salt of the earth......
But to clog up our costly roading system with heavy trucks,
while we got a maintenance free wet backyard?
( we are an island remember......we got almost no ships left,
but an island we are....)
I seriously wonder who fuckes , bribes or threathens who ......?
coz common sense is so far out of the window, people barely remember we once had some....

As I remember the unions - seaman's and officers guild's milked the system dry, offshore got got the work and our shipping lines dried up!

I too look at that empty sea and the empty rails and count the trucks and wonder is it all because of multiple handling and exorbitant labour costs?

Or is there something a little more sinister beneath it all?

[Swoop]

How about this: the govt invests $200 million in Bluebridge for a 75% shareholding which helps fund a brand new ferry.

I wondered the same, but decided against.

Bluebridge provides a good service and stands by itself. Imagine if the gubbinment became involved... More bullshit that would sink a ship, let alone a shipping line!
I have looked down on the Bluebridge terminal, from a building nearby, and thought how much of a challenge they faced to get up and running to the stage they are now. Good work folks! Transitioning from freight-only, to passenger is a big change.

Comparing the "we've always done it this way" approach of the Interislander line.

The private enterprise Vs the State. I'm sure a few of those on here will hate that comparison...

[awayatc]

My ex was counting on that farm needing to expand one day as a retirement plan.

Needing to buy her land.



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one of the farms is empty....
for sale...

the other one has got at times not enough for us to bunker......
( i am serious.....)
I hope you got a plan B....

[awayatc]

As I remember the unions - seaman's and officers guild's milked the system dry, offshore got got the work and our shipping lines dried up!

I too look at that empty sea and the empty rails and count the trucks and wonder is it all because of multiple handling and exorbitant labour costs?

Or is there something a little more sinister beneath it all?

Not sure what or why.....
as far as milking dry goes....
I don't know, I was fishing back in the day,
am not into politics or games,
am a simple sailor trying to make a living....

bad apples everywhere....
Can sort them out, dont have to burn all the orchards....

[Big Dog]

one of the farms is empty....
for sale...

the other one has got at times not enough for us to bunker......
( i am serious.....)
I hope you got a plan B....

Not my plan. Silly cow turned them down when they offered to buy her land for over 10 x what she paid. Reckoned it was worth another half mill if they really wanted it.
They didn't.


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[Big Dog]

Not sure what or why.....
as far as milking dry goes....
I don't know, I was fishing back in the day,
am not into politics or games,
am a simple sailor trying to make a living....

bad apples everywhere....
Can sort them out, dont have to burn all the orchards....

I don't think it was the sailors so much as the dock unions. Certainly when I was at school. Striking every other week.


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[awayatc]

Big dog...
tankfarms or not.....
prime land there really.
Always worth money..
who knows what future will hold?
Good luck

[awa355]

Meanwhile, back in Wellyrail, I understand they are looking at some asian designs for a new ferry. .

[Winston001]

The lack of tank farms is news to me: you used to see them in every port.

I'd take a guess and say that the tanker ships don't want to muck around calling into every port for small off-loads.

But it seems stupid to truck tiny amounts when a ship can deliver a months supply.

Are the shipping lines only interested in one or two places of delivery, load new cargo and bugger off?

I have no idea how that can be changed.

[oldrider]

The lack of tank farms is news to me: you used to see them in every port.

I'd take a guess and say that the tanker ships don't want to muck around calling into every port for small off-loads.

But it seems stupid to truck tiny amounts when a ship can deliver a months supply.

Are the shipping lines only interested in one or two places of delivery, load new cargo and bugger off?

I have no idea how that can be changed.

It comes back to a question of scale: One truck - one driver - time on the road etc. The scale changes dramatically with shipping!

Gisborne's isolation and it's railway/road/sea/air situation must be getting some interesting freight figures chucked about these days!

[BMWST?]

It comes back to a question of scale: One truck - one driver - time on the road etc. The scale changes dramatically with shipping!

Gisborne's isolation and it's railway/road/sea/air situation must be getting some interesting freight figures chucked about these days!

Yes and rail and shipping can have scale.
We gonna need those rail links soon too