Ouch. Now that's a Fine!

[Mushu]

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Crikey.

I am not forcing them to wear anything.

Nobody is forcing them to wear helmets. They are only required, by law, to wear them when operating quad bikes. Given that farming was going on for a while before quad bikes arrived, even their job isn't forcing them to use quad bikes.

You cannot know what will be coming soon. It appears you are just making stuff up because your argument doesn't hold water.

What is it where you live, logical fallacy day?

As usual we have people that have no idea what the job really entails commenting on saftey rules they think should be in place. The option to wear a helmet has always been avaliable to these farmers. When I was doing the job helmets weren't provided so there were areas of the farm I would not take the quad as it wasn't worth the danger to save the effort and time it takes to round up cows on foot.

It is true that farmers have been able to do their jobs without quad bikes, they used horses, which would be as dangerous as using a quad

[oneblackflag]

Remember this:

First they came for the Farmers, and I did not speak out,
Because I was not a Farmer....

When high viz helmets and vests (possibly bubble wrap too) are imposed onto every motorcyclist. Thats if motorcycles aren't completely banned from the road.

[Scuba_Steve]

Have tested them a couple of times now, they do work.
After cutting my leg in half when younger, I wear them whenever I use my saws.

You've got a point there, chainsaws are dangerous! we need to ban them "for safety & shit"

[unstuck]

You've got a point there, chainsaws are dangerous! we need to ban them "for safety & shit"

Noooooooooooooooooooooo.

[Big Dog]

So used in a reckless manner they are quite dangerous.

Average John Smith tootling along behind his cows, maybe not so much.

Trouble comes in identifying who will one day show off for some totty or try a slope best left alone.

I don't advocate compulsory helmets on farms or the road for that matter. I advocate that quad bikes not be lumped in motorcycle stats. I advocate that persons.
I advocate allowing those who wish to go without a helmet to have that choice... at the cost of losing acc rights.


I think that would be a better format. If you have a bike accident and you are covered for all injuries except those made possible or worse for not wearing a helmet.
Trouble is that is difficult to manage and inhumane. Especially where a rookie employee who may not have been made aware of the risks or bee told by an employer they will not pay for the stack hat.

I know my first few jobs i had no idea how I was going to get to work until i got paid let alone buy all re accoutrements some trades need you to have on day one.


Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

[Big Dog]

You've got a point there, chainsaws are dangerous! we need to ban them "for safety & shit"

Ownership compulsory. Surely 3 million people owning and operating chainsaws would make for a nation of chainsaw operators who could operate faster and without care for safety gear?
It works so well with cars.


Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

[oneblackflag]

I think that would be a better format. If you have a bike accident and you are covered for all injuries except those made possible or worse for not wearing a helmet.
Trouble is that is difficult to manage and inhumane. Especially where a rookie employee who may not have been made aware of the risks or bee told by an employer they will not pay for the stack hat.

I agree with the rest of what you're saying but when you are as a business already paying more than your fair share of ACC levies why should you have to then forfit any ACC rights, that would be simply unjust.... But maybe it could be workable if you paid an extra premium to have cover for any extra injury associated with not wearing a helmet (im sure they pay enough anyway )

Employees should always have access to helmets and be trained in riding a quad and acessing terrain speed etc risks. Even if it ment a 'quad safe' licence. No licence then 2 wheels only.

[swbarnett]

allowing those who wish to go without a helmet to have that choice... at the cost of losing acc rights.

The trouble is that this will very quickly be turned into:

allowing those who wish to ride a motorcycle to have that choice... at the cost of losing acc rights.

Oh, and substitute "ride a motorcycle" with "rock climbing", "Kayaking", "horse riding" or any other worthwhile past-time you care to indulge in

[mashman]

At the cost of losing acc rights. A slope best left alone.

Fixed that fo yu. How's about we put on some big boy pants and accept that accidents happen. That you fucked up once should not result in being left for dead because you don't have ACC rights and can't afford the treatment. I vote big boy pants

[Kickaha]

what makes you think they are stupid?

The fact that they got more than one warning and carried on ignoring them

blind rule followers are to stupid to think for themselves is my experience.

So are people who blindy disregard them that's why others have had to do the thinking for them and why we have all this H & S bullshit

Never said it was.

So there could be accidents on the farm where they may benefit from them?

You realise these are dinky open face helmets that would not protect you in a roll over anyway?

Really? so they get no choice in what type of helmet they can wear then?

[Tazz]

All those taking a swing at people who make the (maybe not so wise choice) to not wear a helmet on a quad and applaud the fine, just remember that most accidents happen around the house.

Why are you not wearing a helmet when you're up a ladder cleaning the guttering? For that matter, shouldn't you be using scaffolding?

Do you stand on a chair when changing a light bulb? You realise a fall from that height onto a tiled or hardwood surface could cause a head injury just like riding a quad might. Where's your helmet and high viability attire?

What about cranking the chainsaw out. It's easier for Harley riders but do the rest of you whip out the thick leather chaps and safety gear? I highly doubt it and the sooner we set up a government department to hire a bunch of people who write a paper cut into their accident log to come tell people how to do things that they have no idea how to do themselves, let alone safely, the better...

Like a wee way above, it should be an (educated) choice. Maybe they don't ride above a certain speed, the farm is flat, they already have traumatic head injuries and a bit thick, who knows but it should be their choice otherwise please don't whinge when you're expected to practice what you preach as the rules tighten up on your property/work place.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/ar...ectid=11348070

[Big Dog]

Gee whiz. It is impractical go have people opt out of ACC.

I guess the current system might suck burnt is our best option. Surprise surprise.


Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

[oneblackflag]

Really? so they get no choice in what type of helmet they can wear then?

Do you think any other option would be practical? Bubble wrap and a cardboard box perhaps.

[oneblackflag]

Gee whiz. It is impractical go have people opt out of ACC.

I guess the current system might suck burnt is our best option. Surprise surprise.

I wonder if ACC has lowered levies on farmers since they now have magic helmets that reduce risk so much it's worth a 20k fine for not wearing one....

[unstuck]

I wonder if ACC has lowered levies on farmers since they now have magic helmets that reduce risk so much it's worth a 20k fine for not wearing one....

I think it was $10 grand each offense, and they both had 2 offenses, or did I read it wrong.
Still excessive in my mind.