If you filmed someone breaking the law...

[FJRider]

... Acting as a witness to a crime or being the victim of one and seeking redress is not "dobbing in". Have you got it yet?

Like filming a car run into the back of a motorcycle stopped at the lights ... and passing on to the authorities .... or would that NOT be "Criminall" ... ???


Some would call it criminal ... only if THEY were the one on the bike ...

[Winston001]

Plus you're still not understanding the concept of "dobbing in".

It's when you behave like a busybody fuckwit and get involved in something that has absolutely nothing to do with you, typically a situation where you suffered no material loss or physical harm, but are affronted by someone else's behaviour that doesn't meet your own narrow definition of "acceptable". If you then submit film to the cops of the person that did nothing to directly or materially harm you, you're a fucking miserable "dobber inner". And you can go fuck yourself.

Acting as a witness to a crime or being the victim of one and seeking redress is not "dobbing in". Have you got it yet?

Please don't dob people in. Life's hard enough without the other inmates making life harder still for you. The Police aren't your friend, the courts aren't your friend, lawyers aren't your friend.

"Dobbing in" is the act of behaving like a know it all little Nazi and expressing your displeasure at someone not doing that driving or riding thing the same way you do. Adding footage to the complaint is just a shit thing to do.

Jim...

Seriously?

Death riding/driving is just fine so long as you don't see the accident?

My wife with our precious children on board had a near miss in the Kawaura Gorge. She dialled *555 and later learned she was one of three callers. The driver was stopped and arrested in Cromwell. Faarg him. Accidents in the Kawarau Gorge are almost always fatal: there's a Unimog and a soldier over the side never found. The other soldiers are dead.

One of the good things about growing older is gaining patience and wisdom. A greater appreciation of the importance of other people.


Jim, I'm afraid the wisdom genes passed you by.


I do not understand your bitterness and your contempt for anyone outside your circle. Maybe its the internet and you aren't really like this. Whatever, please reflect on what you have said above. Dead is dead and if you did nothing to prevent it

[mossy1200]

I think you will find everyone has their own line in the sand somewhere between random on cell phone driving and seeing a dead body in the back seat where they will report something.

[RDJ]

Please don't dob people in. Life's hard enough without the other inmates making life harder still for you. The Police aren't your friend, the courts aren't your friend, lawyers aren't your friend.

What James said.

[oldrider]

Crossing the center line is a very bad habit to get into - safe or unsafe - in the city most stay in their lanes - in the country - fuck me!!!!

Nowadays it is every trip it gets worse and worse - especially heading to Wanaka or Queenstown via the Lindis pass it's chronic!

[nodrog:Me]

What a bunch of fucken wowsers.

[Blackbird]

It's when you behave like a busybody fuckwit and get involved in something that has absolutely nothing to do with you, typically a situation where you suffered no material loss or physical harm, but are affronted by someone else's behaviour that doesn't meet your own narrow definition of "acceptable". If you then submit film to the cops of the person that did nothing to directly or materially harm you, you're a fucking miserable "dobber inner". And you can go fuck yourself.

Acting as a witness to a crime or being the victim of one and seeking redress is not "dobbing in". Have you got it yet?

I'm a bit puzzled Jim. A couple of years back when I posted photos of a company ute repeatedly going round blind corners on the wrong side of the road, this is what you said:

I have no patience for the driving displayed in Geoff's photos. I don't care if these people or companies are publicly outed in an Internet forum, or whether that punishment fits the crime. It still won't get close to the punishment people like that driver visit on undeserving recipients, usually with a sense of entitlement and disbelief that anyone could possibly think they're a crap driver.

I know that it is unlikely that there will be any meaningful repercussions for these people and I personally think, after 30 years of pain and loss, that these incidents should be judged by the most extreme potential outcome with a specific set of charges and outcomes for that sentencing. If it is a company vehicle, the response from the company should always be suspension pending dismissal. That includes all forms of professional drivers, from Government employees to owner/operators. If the driver chooses the education process and pays for it, by all means rehabilitate. If they have to be "sentenced" for that to happen, that displays the type of attitude to driving that should have prevented the acquisition of a license in the first place.

What's made you change your views?

[Flip]

I was under the impression that breaking a traffic regulation, like minor speeding is not prosecutable (easily) after the fact but breaking the law is, eg careless causing...

What would happen if the person took the charge to court, would you stand up in court and be able to withstand a cross examination..... The first queston would be about your traffic prosecution history and the second would be what is your qualification.

[James Deuce]

Jim...

Seriously?

Death riding/driving is just fine so long as you don't see the accident?

My wife with our precious children on board had a near miss in the Kawaura Gorge. She dialled *555 and later learned she was one of three callers. The driver was stopped and arrested in Cromwell. Faarg him. Accidents in the Kawarau Gorge are almost always fatal: there's a Unimog and a soldier over the side never found. The other soldiers are dead.

One of the good things about growing older is gaining patience and wisdom. A greater appreciation of the importance of other people.


Jim, I'm afraid the wisdom genes passed you by.


I do not understand your bitterness and your contempt for anyone outside your circle. Maybe its the internet and you aren't really like this. Whatever, please reflect on what you have said above. Dead is dead and if you did nothing to prevent it

99% of people who *555 are professional time wasters who think that using an overtaking lane is illegal. The sort of people who write letters to the editor and complain about being offended by things people write on the Internet. Most people lack the objective perspective to determine the difference between someone competently using a vehicle for what it was meant for and a properly dangerous act or behaviour.

Your wife made a correct judgment call. In my experience that is a rare anomoly. Death and injury are perfectly OK on NZ roads. But did she prevent death or injury? No. The driver was arrested in Cromwell. There is nothing worse than a citizenry who are willing to turn their own in because the authorities suggest it is the right thing to do.

My personal experience is that people will do what they can to avoid blame, up to and including not getting help for injured people provided they aren't going to be held responsible.

My "circle"? What are you on about? An "Internet persona" you say?

[James Deuce]

I'm a bit puzzled Jim. A couple of years back when I posted photos of a company ute repeatedly going round blind corners on the wrong side of the road, this is what you said:

I have no patience for the driving displayed in Geoff's photos. I don't care if these people or companies are publicly outed in an Internet forum, or whether that punishment fits the crime. It still won't get close to the punishment people like that driver visit on undeserving recipients, usually with a sense of entitlement and disbelief that anyone could possibly think they're a crap driver.

I know that it is unlikely that there will be any meaningful repercussions for these people and I personally think, after 30 years of pain and loss, that these incidents should be judged by the most extreme potential outcome with a specific set of charges and outcomes for that sentencing. If it is a company vehicle, the response from the company should always be suspension pending dismissal. That includes all forms of professional drivers, from Government employees to owner/operators. If the driver chooses the education process and pays for it, by all means rehabilitate. If they have to be "sentenced" for that to happen, that displays the type of attitude to driving that should have prevented the acquisition of a license in the first place.

What's made you change your views?

People change.

[willytheekid]

I quite often have a HD camera hidden on my bike (friggin roads broke ANOTHER mount tho, so not presently)

Its not for "dobbing people in" tho

...its for when some muppet runs a red, or ANOTHER! repeat drunk driver slams into me, and leaves me lying on the side of the road, broken and unable to tell my side of the incident due to being unconscious or worse! ...cameras can speak for you when you cannot not!

...but as OP waihou states...those bloody batteries are the limiting factor (hence Im hoping to put permanent powered HD cams on the bike, front & rear)

Ride safe over the holidays KBers

[Blackbird]

People change.

Fair enough - presumably as a result of a personal experience or some deep thought. The same conditions apply to me with respect to intolerance of corner-cutting and crossing the centre line. Apart from the potential for me being taken out on numerous occasions, my best friend was killed by a driver crossing the centre line. My wife and I, accompanied by a local police officer; broke the news to his wife and children. That's something you never want to do more than once in a lifetime.

[haydes55]

Go on facebook and look at the page NZ road Muppets. Or something similar, the host of the page banned me because I argued with him (I know, big surprise, me arguing with randoms on the Internet about road safety!). The picture series he was bitching about, an SUV apparently overtook him going 130km/h on double yellow lines after tailgating him. The pictures showed the SUV had over 100m visible road in front when he completed the pass, and the road was coastal with only a few driveways on the left lane. I said the driver was never going to rear end his car, because he was speeding and overtaking, not asleep and drunk, he broke the law going over double yellow, but that wasn't unsafe as he had clear path to overtake, and 130km/h is not an unsafe speed, many countries have higher limits, what makes our roads any more inherently dangerous, it's not like you explode over a certain speed, and physics depends on what country you're in.

So I. Can see James Dueces point, retards will always try dob in safe drivers for bureaucratic technicalities rather than actual safety breaches. A "victim" of seeing a bad driver will ALWAYS exaggerate the extent of any "offending" and camera angles can be very misleading.

[willytheekid]

Speaking of cameras

...holy Jebus!

http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post...ington-driving

Ride safe over the break Kbers

[neels]

If someone causes an accident then claims it wasn't their fault and wont accept liability I would.

I had a head on with another vehicle on Hataitai Rd (twisty welly back st). I had stopped completely while she (driving ministry of Justice work vehicle) was talking on her phone and to her daughter never even saw us before impact then tried to claim no liability. Lucky for us we had a witness overlooking the accident from their house come out and gave a statement.

This is probably the only time I'd use a recording too.

Have recently had a very similar experience to the above, except without a witness, so his insurance company are believing his statement and there's fuck all I can do about it.

The nice chap at my insurance company did ask about a dash cam, and suggested if you have an accident don't tell the other party, as it's much more fun for them when they have proof that someone has made a false statement.

PS - noise control are useless arses. They almost need a complainer to provide a certified db reading to act. Arses.

They've been pretty effective, as well as very polite, the last couple of times they've been to our place.