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    Quote Originally Posted by Drew View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by jellywrestler View Post
    not onlyh; I've heard he can remove a lid off a tupperware container six different ways, used to be only four before he had his maggot pierced.
    You forgot about my ring piece........... I can suck the fucken lids off with that!! And then eject it 50 yards........
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    Quote Originally Posted by sidecar bob View Post
    Perhaps MNZ need to grow a ball bag & put up downloadable PDF scrutineering check sheets on their website for the various types of machine that organisers can have access to. I have been going on about this for a while.
    The mta wof inspection sheet is probably a good place to start as a guideline, particularly with regard to legal disclaimers etc. I'm sure representatives from each discipline would be more than happy to assist with requirements for their individual machine types.
    That does actually make alot of fucken sense!!

    But isn't this argument about trackday bikes?? Who currently needs checks for those??
    If I was a fellow rider on these days, I'd damn well expect it to happen, for piece of mind that the leading bike aint gunna drop oil, drop something, or break something in front of me....
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    Quote Originally Posted by cassina View Post
    I thought bikes only came out of the factory with metal tanks anyway. Maybe bikes that are made with non metal tanks should just be banned. Would you buy a car with a fibreglass tank?
    I.....I......just......what? Go away and educate yourself please.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cassina View Post
    So you think people who drive or ride when there is a higher risk of an explosion on impact due to fibreglass or carbon fibre construction are more educated than those who don't.
    No, what I think he's trying to say is that motorcycle construction methods & materials have evolved a little in the time since CB750 Hondas were new. You may be quite taken aback at what most motorcycle tanks are constructed of these days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cassina View Post
    But if Fibreglass or Carbon Fibre construction can explode on impact where is the evolution?
    Really! Man/girl, whatever you are, go and look it up, fiberglass, carbon fibre, aluminium, tin fucking foil, if it works and it passes the tests it can be used.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cassina View Post
    I thought bikes only came out of the factory with metal tanks anyway. Maybe bikes that are made with non metal tanks should just be banned. Would you buy a car with a fibreglass tank?
    Just when you thought you had heard it all...

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    Quote Originally Posted by scrivy View Post

    If I was a fellow rider on these days, I'd damn well expect it to happen, for piece of mind that the leading bike aint gunna drop oil,
    bikes simply don't drop oil, it's always those fucking sidecars that do that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cassina View Post
    But if Fibreglass or Carbon Fibre construction can explode on impact where is the evolution?
    i thinks it's the motion lotion inside that explodes.

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    Perhaps you could also consider this issue from a professional stand point rather than a purely mechanical one.

    Lets say, hypothetically, the workshop next door does some work on a motorcycle. The owner then takes that motorcycle to a track, has an accident and dies. Worksafe conduct an initial investigation and conclude a mechanical defect was a factor, and since the bike was worked on recently call in the Police. The Police interview the mechanic next door, determine that he is a professional (accepts payment for services), knew that the motorcycle had a serious and dangerous defect, and that he gave the former customer a warning about it but did nothing further. The Police aren't sure if there is a case, but conclude there is sufficient linkage to consider an initial charge of negligent manslaughter (a criminal conviction).

    Then the Police come to your workshop, seeing that you are in the same trade and also a professional. The Police consider engaging you as an expert in your field, and ask you if an experienced professional in your trade following industry best practices would allow someone to not resolve a serious defect in the braking system of the motorcycle that could lead to serious injury or death. Your answer will determine if the chap next door spends the next two years waiting for trial and a lot of money on lawyers to try and determine the outcome (and a jury may well find that a warning was sufficient - who knows).


    I know, an extreme outcome. But whatever you're answer is may help give you some guidance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by p.dath View Post

    Then the Police come to your workshop, seeing that you are in the same trade and also a professional. The Police consider engaging you as an expert in your field, and ask you if an experienced professional in your trade following industry best practices would allow someone to not resolve a serious defect in the braking system of the motorcycle that could lead to serious injury or death. Your answer will determine if the chap next door spends the next two years waiting for trial and a lot of money on lawyers to try and determine the outcome (and a jury may well find that a warning was sufficient - who knows).


    I know, an extreme outcome. But whatever you're answer is may help give you some guidance.
    In that situation I would certainly excercise my right to be far too stupid to be of any use to the
    police case.

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    And that scenario is pretty much why no one wants to be a scrutineer...

    if the clubs enforced mandatory scrutineering, I'd assume some sort of disclaimer would be necessary. maybe MNZ should show some leadership and work out how it can be done safely. And protecting volunteers at any inquests.

    i won't do it except for "auditing" now - and i come from a family where the old man was chief scrute for cars for the SI and we've all been involved at some point....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grumph View Post
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    if the clubs enforced mandatory scrutineering, I'd assume some sort of disclaimer would be necessary....
    You can't contract out of the crimes act (for example, having a contract to kill someone does not make the contract legal), so a disclaimer has little value in an extreme case like this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by p.dath View Post
    You can't contract out of the crimes act (for example, having a contract to kill someone does not make the contract legal), so a disclaimer has little value in an extreme case like this.
    So why do we all sign waivers and indemnities then???
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    Quote Originally Posted by p.dath View Post
    Perhaps you could also consider this issue from a professional stand point rather than a purely mechanical one.

    Lets say, hypothetically, the workshop next door does some work on a motorcycle. The owner then takes that motorcycle to a track, has an accident and dies. Worksafe conduct an initial investigation and conclude a mechanical defect was a factor, and since the bike was worked on recently call in the Police. The Police interview the mechanic next door, determine that he is a professional (accepts payment for services), knew that the motorcycle had a serious and dangerous defect, and that he gave the former customer a warning about it but did nothing further. The Police aren't sure if there is a case, but conclude there is sufficient linkage to consider an initial charge of negligent manslaughter (a criminal conviction).

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    Drawing a long bow there...

    My take is: You expect all garages to repair any potentially lethal defect they notice on any bike they have on their premises - regardless of the owners instructions/orders/finances??
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