Courts problem

[Str8 Jacket]

If you are writing to your MP, DO NOT PAY UP!
If said MP is any use, you may even get the fine wiped, as well as no points.

Make sure you notify the clerk of the court that you have taken the matter to your MP - otherwise the bailiffs might show up.

Sorry What, this aint gonna happen.... I worked as a fines collector for 18+ months and now work "behind the scenes" for MOJ collections. You'd be amazed at how many people think this- it just doesn't happen. At the least the fine may be "sent back" to the police authority for reconsideration, but if the Police decide you have to pay it and you don't it is then sent back to the court system, where if not paid then enforcement action can be taken by the courts and the person forced to pay. What im trying to say is that it doesn't matter who you try to get to help you out, if the fine is in court and the issuing authority (being the police) will not withdraw it then you have to pay....
Your best bet is to take proof of your POSTAL address as opposed to your PHYSICAL address back to the DC with the failed form 57, demand to speak to a Team Leader and explain what you have already posted previously. This may not work , but believe me not all courts staff are sadistic evil clowns...

[Ramius]

If you really want to waste some dosh, sue the clerk in a civil action for failure to ensure you recieved your summons. But as all you are trying to do is avoid collecting demerit points, you likely won't go there, will you?
You could also write a letter of complaint to the minister for courts, and copy your local MP - this will cost you naff-all and might even achieve something. Maybe.

Who's who: http://www.clerk.parliament.govt.nz/

And that will get quashed before you can even file the papers. As for writing, what is the purpose? If you did something wrong, grow some balls and pay your dues!

[Ramius]

I don't think he has to prove anything. They have to prove service.

Yes, he does have to prove it. They don't. As long as the papers have been sent to the correct address, it is, by the letter of the law, served. If for some reason the person was not at the address, then prove it.

[Ramius]

I filed a form 57 due to not recieving a ticket reminder and getting collection costs, never got a letter that said "we don't believe you didn't get the first letter" and because I didn't reply to the second letter within 14/28 days it got finalised as guilty, of course once they got that they gave me a ring and told me to pay up. Bunch of cunts.

Get over it.

[Ramius]

Well I'm done with trying to delay and stall etc

Stop piss arsing about and just pay the bloody thing. It would make the whole of New Zealand sleep easier.

For any legal information relating to fines etc etc... check out the Summary Proceedings Act 1957

Cheers

(I never had my weetbix this morning, so I am ANGRY!)

[Str8 Jacket]

Stop piss arsing about and just pay the bloody thing. It would make the whole of New Zealand sleep easier.

For any legal information relating to fines etc etc... check out the Summary Proceedings Act 1957

Cheers

(I never had my weetbix this morning, so I am ANGRY!)

Ah only this kind of cynicsm could come form an ex fines collector! You must be an ex-MOJ employee. Still suffering from the anxiety of the job eh?

Its a shame but Ramius is correct Luke....

[What?]

Nice clarity Str8 Jacket.
Also nice to know that there is at least one human working for the MOJ...

[Ramius]

Ah only this kind of cynicsm could come form an ex fines collector! You must be an ex-MOJ employee. Still suffering from the anxiety of the job eh?

Its a shame but Ramius is correct Luke....

Been out of action, but still an employee. I just don't have time for the death threats, the violence, the swearing, the pathetic Wombats who think that it is their right to break the law, Makes me oh so proud to call myself a New Zealander.

[hobdar]

Time to start an MOJ branch of Kiwi Biker....there are at least 3 or 4 bikers at WNDC that i know of....time to start dropping kiwi biker leaflets on bikes.....

[Str8 Jacket]

Time to start an MOJ branch of Kiwi Biker....there are at least 3 or 4 bikers at WNDC that i know of....time to start dropping kiwi biker leaflets on bikes.....

Yea, but if we do that then MOJ will know where I spend a good part of my day when Im supposed to be working....

[Psalm42]

MOJ? Should Read MOL. Law. There is no justice in that system, just proceedure. Pay the fine, and remember if you want conveniance smile and pay. If you want Justice know your rights before you open your mouth.

[inlinefour]

A few months ago I got a minor speeding fine (in a cage). Because I wanted to go for CBTA I requested to the police that my case be heard in court. This was to try to keep the points off my licence until I did my cbta. Anyway the police said that they would transfer the case to the courts and that they were out of the loop so to speak. Two months later I got a letter from the courts saying that they had heard the case had been heard in my absence and here was my fine plus court costs etc etc. I never received a summons to the hearing.

Does anyone have any idea what I do from here. I rang the number on the notice but typically got the collections department who couldn't help me.

I thought they was obliged to hadnd a summons in person???

[terbang]

They are still chasing me for a parking fine from 1987! I have no Idea what they are talking about and they inform me that I have no way out! They ring me up from time to time demanding payment of around $90 now for a fine that ws origionally $27. It is so frustrating talking to stupid people who cannot even come up with any paperwork as to where I got it and can only say that it is on their computer and I must pay and threaten all sorts of consequences..Yeah Right..I just string them along for a while running up hefty phone bills that will easily now be in excess of the $90. I even had calls when I was living in Australia. When I advised the caller that he had rung an Aiustralian number he seemed surprised and muttered something about wondering about the length of the number he had just rung. I argued with this twit for 30 minutes to establish that he had no authority to collect it in Australia..Duh..

[Str8 Jacket]

They are still chasing me for a parking fine from 1987! I have no Idea what they are talking about and they inform me that I have no way out! They ring me up from time to time demanding payment of around $90 now for a fine that ws origionally $27. It is so frustrating talking to stupid people who cannot even come up with any paperwork as to where I got it and can only say yhat it is on their computer and I must pay..Yeah Right..I just string them along for a while running up hefty phone calls that will easily now be in excess of the $90. I even had calls when I was living in Australia.

hmmm, although I understand your frustration these stupid people (being me) are only doing their job. Have you thought to actually TALK to these stupid people? You may find that you were contacted about this fine originally (1980's) which means there are notes to say so on your profile, yes notes do date back to 1980. If so, then you were aware of the fine and you are liable to pay it. If you can HONESTLY say that you were never contacted and there are no notes on your profile to prove this then I would go to the DC and talk to a Team Leader, you may be eligible to file a form 57. From the looks of your attitude you will have to pay it. Believe me, piss an officer of the court of and they'll get you.
And yes you will get calls in Aussie about your fines. I am one of those stupid people that sit on the net all day doing Track and Trace, looking for idiots such as yourself in fact we search for ANYONE who owes fines and are not paying them so everyone be warned.
My advise for you terbang is to just get over yourself stop busting a gut over a $90 fine, which you may find will stop you from going overseas or arrivng from overseas until it is sorted. If you have issues with the fine, blame the poeple that ISSUED you the fine ie, THE COUNCIL and not the poor fines collectors who are just doing their job!

[terbang]

Str8 jacket I am not really busting my gut over a $90 dollar fine in fact I normally don't give it very much thought and at around $5 per year I will have no problem eventually paying it. Anyone who rings me up in Australia without realising that they have rung international is stupid. By the tone of your post I suspect a few veins bulging in you neck over a $90 fine from 18 years ago. It also gives me an insight as to the potential of cynical, vindictive and small minded people that are within our justice system that obviously doesn't have any more pressing issues to deal within our society. When you do catch me how do you want it Cheque, Visa or Cash..?