Ultimate 911 POLL

[bogan]

You see life through very simplistic eyes, don't you?

That doesn't make any sense, as I'm the one extrapolating motivation to what that bloke is saying. You're the one simplistically just going, 'yes, he says what I want to hear so it must be the absolute truth'.

[Katman]

That doesn't make any sense, as I'm the one extrapolating motivation to what that bloke is saying. You're the one simplistically just going, 'yes, he says what I want to hear so it must be the absolute truth'.

Well I guess we'll just have to wait and see then.

http://28pages.org/tag/thomas-massie/

[TheDemonLord]

You seem to forget that Congressman Thomas Massie described the 28 pages as 'shocking' and that he had to stop every couple of pages and rearrange his understanding of history.

I'm sure he did - I'm sure he garnered several thousand voters with his mock indignation.

But if it was as bad as that, he would release it, just like actual whistleblowers have done when confronted with information they know to be morally wrong to keep secret.

[Katman]

But if it was as bad as that, he would release it, just like actual whistleblowers have done when confronted with information they know to be morally wrong to keep secret.

And as I've already said, he might prefer to try getting the information released in a legal manner rather than risk losing his position as Congressman and copping a prison sentence to boot.

[TheDemonLord]

And as I've already said, he might prefer to try getting the information released in a legal manner rather than risk losing his position as Congressman and copping a prison sentence to boot.

Yep - so clearly can't be that bad then, that they aren't willing to risk the consequences.

If it was that bad - then they would.

[Katman]

Yep - so clearly can't be that bad then, that they aren't willing to risk the consequences.

Makes you wonder why the powers that be are fighting tooth and nail to keep the information classified then.

[yokel]

Yep - so clearly can't be that bad then, that they aren't willing to risk the consequences.

If it was that bad - then they would.

You are one fucking stupid ignorant moron.

The official conspiracy theory so fucking dumb, only the stupidest of cunts would still believe it after the shortcoming have been pointed out.

[TheDemonLord]

The conspiracy theory so fucking dumb, only the stupidest of cunts would still believe it after the shortcoming have been pointed out.

How right you are.....

[bogan]

Makes you wonder why the powers that be are fighting tooth and nail to keep the information classified then.

tooth and nail? TPTB are just like, 'the fuck you up to son' to these plonkers, were any of the clue droppers even punished for leaking information about what's in the 28 pages?

[husaberg]

You seem to forget that Congressman Thomas Massie described the 28 pages as 'shocking' and that he had to stop every couple of pages and rearrange his understanding of history.

If there is so much shady dealings in the report, Why does he not have the fortitude to come forward and expose the details, he can't be prosecuted for doing so after all.

Members of the United States Congress enjoy a similar parliamentary privilege as members of the British Parliament; that is, they cannot be prosecuted for anything they say on the floor of the House or Senate.

Their report was ammended after their 'mistake' was pointed out to them.

Do you think the people at NIST tasked with producing the initial report were incompetent or were they perhaps trying to be deliberately misleading?

Do you understand what has to occur within a building structure to achieve freefall?

Then again if there was a massive cover up as you have repeatedly suggested it is. Then all the official reports into this conspiracy would be in favour of covering up the said conspiracy.
So its a bit naïve to suggest that that we should only believe parts of the official report (that haven't been released) because you feel they may suit your agenda.
When you have consistently said its a major cover up exercise.

Then again you are never consistent logical or rational when it comes to this sort of thing.

So you've found one clerical error and suddenly their stats are all bullshit?
Fuck me, who put you in charge of data analysis?

Odd that this above rational only applies where you see fit rather than to other situations.

[Katman]

If there is so much shady dealings in the report, Why does he not have the fortitude to come forward and expose the details, he can't be prosecuted for doing so after all.

(From the 28 pages website FAQs).

Q: If there are legislators who feel strongly that the 28 pages should be declassified, why don’t they read it aloud from the floor of the House or Senate under the protection of the Speech or Debate Clause?

A. First and foremost, there’s a physical impediment: While they can obtain permission to read the 28 pages in a secure facility in the basement of the Capitol, they cannot remove them from that facility and carry them to the floor. While, conceivably, a legislator could go the floor and summarize the 28 pages from memory, that legislator could lose future access to classified information, impairing their ability to represent their constituents.

Odd that this above rational only applies where you see fit rather than to other situations.

Here's the thing though shitforbrains - if the 28 pages are classified, none of us have the ability to check the veracity of their contents.

[bogan]

(From the 28 pages website FAQs).

Q: If there are legislators who feel strongly that the 28 pages should be declassified, why don’t they read it aloud from the floor of the House or Senate under the protection of the Speech or Debate Clause?

A. First and foremost, there’s a physical impediment: While they can obtain permission to read the 28 pages in a secure facility in the basement of the Capitol, they cannot remove them from that facility and carry them to the floor. While, conceivably, a legislator could go the floor and summarize the 28 pages from memory, that legislator could lose future access to classified information, impairing their ability to represent their constituents.

Fuck that's weak.

And as I've already said, he might prefer to try getting the information released in a legal manner rather than risk losing his position as Congressman and copping a prison sentence to boot.

So it is neither of those things you originally thought...

[Katman]

So it is neither of those things you originally thought...

Losing their ability to represent their constituents pretty much spells the end of their time in Congress.

Just ask Cynthia McKinney.

[bogan]

Losing their ability to represent their constituents pretty much spells the end of their time in Congress.

Just ask Cynthia McKinney.

Is she in prison, to boot?

And losing access to classified docs is not the end of one's time in congress.

[Katman]

And losing access to classified docs is not the end of one's time in congress.

Well it probably is according to those who pull the strings.

And anyhow, you're clearly not interested in what is contained in those 28 pages so I'll just assume you're only here for the arguing.

(It's either that or the insults).