Navy unable to board fishing vessels

[TheDemonLord]

Yeah ?? Go down to south dorkland and stand between a Tongan and a Samoan about to try to kill each other ... intervention won't seem like such a good idea then ..

it does if they have sticks and you have assault rifles

[Winston001]

our hovercraftis full of eels.

Gotta bling this.

[angle]

That is debatable, since the whole issue of this discussion was how they weren't able to prosecute those capabilities

How were they not capable? The CO made the decision not to, because they already had all the evidence they needed.

We are a country of lots and lots of coastline and waterways - just like the vietcong were able to hide in the large water networks and use it as one of the supply methods during the Vietnam war. Also like how the Columbian Drug cartels use the Amazon basin to hide from authorities and launch smuggling attempts from the large network of lakes and rivers.

if such low tech adversaries can outmaneuver and hide from the US (which arguably has the most powerful Navy on the planet) then I think it is safe to say that using the same amphibious hit-and-run methods first developed by the Vikings and shown to be effective in modern combat, we could mount a successful resistance, appearing suddenly for a raid against key logistics or infrastructure via either the coast or river systems, then retreating just as quickly to hide in amongst all the other river/island/bay areas.

That made me smile, I think I'll share this extract with a few people Viet Cong was not technically inferior to US, in some aspects it was superior and the reasons for US defeat have nothing to do with the waterways. You should research this conflict a bit deeper. South American drug cartels have very advanced tech, in many cases more advanced than not specialised military units. Their organisational capabilities, which are the main reason for their “success”, are significantly superior than ones of those who try to control them and span through quite a lot of organisations. Vikings were a bunch of thugs that attacked and pillaged weak peaceful settlements.

Appearing suddenly for a raid with an amphib force? How are you going to do that? I suggest you study some of the amphib operations conducted by USN during WWII, and then think about the capability of modern sensor/weapon systems. Also, where is this river system in the North Island and what key logistics and infrastructure are you talking about?

[Akzle]

te awa waikato!

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...my friend has a central NI pond...a really big one...it would need a few more Willows planted around it for making it less obvious from the air, and he would probably only want it vacated for duck shooting season...I could run the idea past him...

[Banditbandit]

That made me smile, I think I'll share this extract with a few people Viet Cong was not technically inferior to US, in some aspects it was superior and the reasons for US defeat have nothing to do with the waterways. You should research this conflict a bit deeper. South American drug cartels have very advanced tech, in many cases more advanced than not specialised military units. Their organisational capabilities, which are the main reason for their “success”, are significantly superior than ones of those who try to control them and span through quite a lot of organisations. Vikings were a bunch of thugs that attacked and pillaged weak peaceful settlements.

Appearing suddenly for a raid with an amphib force? How are you going to do that? I suggest you study some of the amphib operations conducted by USN during WWII, and then think about the capability of modern sensor/weapon systems. Also, where is this river system in the North Island and what key logistics and infrastructure are you talking about?

Mao Zedong once said 'The army that controls the countryside at night controls the country' - Vietnam is a good case in point. The Vietcong certainly knew Mao's teachings and put them into practice ..

As well, the US political structure lost quite a bit of support at home and lost enthusiasm for a lengthy and expensive war - much the same reason why England lost the American war of independence ...

Surprise amphibian operations al la the Vikings is simply not possible with current sensor and coastal defence systems. A strike force may get close enough to attack without detection to launch an attack with some element of surprise - at least enough to have a small advantage of time .. but it is not as easy as it used to be.

A guerrilla force in Godzone would not escape modern detection techniques, especially infra-red. Tracking from satellites is way too easy ...

[puddytat]

I think the Navy should keep on doing what its doing...namely fishing shit & stuff.
When & or if we become the target of some foreign state bent on having a strategic place in the South Pacific against our will, then I firmly believe that because we are "strategically" placed that our "defence" will be assured by which ever global power that wants us .
Whether we want it or not.

[Ocean1]

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/asia/67...toothfish-haul

[rustyrobot]

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/asia/67...toothfish-haul

Yeah - oddly the New Zealand news articles don't mention that the vessel was successfully boarded by the Australians a month after the unsuccessful attempt by New Zealand.

http://asiancorrespondent.com/130986...oacher-kunlun/

It will be interesting to see how long they can hold it in Thailand. Knowing the deep pockets of the syndicate likely to be backing the boats I wouldn't be surprised if they managed to slip away.

[Ocean1]

Yeah - oddly the New Zealand news articles don't mention that the vessel was successfully boarded by the Australians a month after the unsuccessful attempt by New Zealand.

http://asiancorrespondent.com/130986...oacher-kunlun/

It will be interesting to see how long they can hold it in Thailand. Knowing the deep pockets of the syndicate likely to be backing the boats I wouldn't be surprised if they managed to slip away.

They were boarded by the Aus navy in international waters?

[ellipsis]

...fuck the navy...leave it to our airforce...

[rustyrobot]

...fuck the navy...leave it to our airforce...

Maybe they tried?

http://www.3news.co.nz/nznews/air-fo...atu-2015031716

"Two flights carrying aid for storm-ravaged Vanuatu have been forced to head back to New Zealand without landing.

Royal New Zealand Air Force sent a C-130 Hercules and a Boeing 757 to the archipelago today but both were forced to turn back after unrelated instrumentation problems."

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...that sarcasm font is really needed at times...

[FJRider]

Sink the fuckers ....




Nuff said.

[Akzle]

...that sarcasm font is really needed at times...

comic sans, i'm telling you man!