Road rage fail: Aggressive NZ driver who hates cyclists

**pritch** · 18th January 2015, 08:38

Originally Posted by mossy1200

Why do motorbikes require rear view mirrors when they don't often have anyone driving behind yet pushbikes don't require them and it would serve them well to know if cars are waiting to pass.

They can hear you perfectly well, it has apparently escaped your notice but they are not wearing a helmet that affects their hearing, nor do they have engine noise to contend with.

People who jog or ride bikes while wearing earphones are lemmings and are not a justification for half-witted ideas like mirrors on bicycles.

**bogan** · 18th January 2015, 09:23

Originally Posted by TheDemonLord

and with that, the prosecution rests its case - he didn't keep left when he had the opportunity to, and then wonders why people get upset at him.

And considering you had to go to a completely different video to find an example of that; it also proves my point that sometimes it is safer to own the lane than try to stop others from getting a little upset

**TheDemonLord** · 18th January 2015, 09:37

Originally Posted by bogan

And considering you had to go to a completely different video to find an example of that; it also proves my point that sometimes it is safer to own the lane than try to stop others from getting a little upset

I didn't go to a completely different video - someone else brought it up....

I did however use it to back up my point (I probably should watch the original video though)

Considering cyclists have no legal right to own the lane and IMO the inherent risks (both the ones stemming from NZ driving culture and the generic ones) to me make it a dangerous practice and one that considerably aggravates other motorists.

As I said before however, a re-write of the road rules from a 'one size fits all, if your size is a car' policy to something more sensible (having sub sections for motorcyclists and cyclists alike stating things when they can claim the lane etc.) is IMHO well overdue.

Until then, Claiming the lane continues to be an illegal IMO, as although I see your point about stopping an overtake when it may not be safe, I think that may be stretching the definition of practicable a little bit far.

I would also add that considering that all the footage on that Cyclists Youtube Channel has been submitted to the police and in most cases they haven't pursued the matter, it would appear that it is also the opinion of the Police/legal system as well.

Edit - feel free to add a snarky comment about the police and not wanting to do their jobs/do work as the reason for not pursuing it - I won't argue with you on that point

**bogan** · 18th January 2015, 09:41

Originally Posted by TheDemonLord

I didn't go to a completely different video - someone else brought it up....

I did however use it to back up my point (I probably should watch the original video though)

Considering cyclists have no legal right to own the lane and IMO the inherent risks (both the ones stemming from NZ driving culture and the generic ones) to me make it a dangerous practice and one that considerably aggravates other motorists.

As I said before however, a re-write of the road rules from a 'one size fits all, if your size is a car' policy to something more sensible (having sub sections for motorcyclists and cyclists alike stating things when they can claim the lane etc.) is IMHO well overdue.

Until then, Claiming the lane continues to be an illegal IMO, as although I see your point about stopping an overtake when it may not be safe, I think that may be stretching the definition of practicable a little bit far.

I would also add that considering that all the footage on that Cyclists Youtube Channel has been submitted to the police and in most cases they haven't pursued the matter, it would appear that it is also the opinion of the Police/legal system as well.

Whomever brought it up, that was the example you went to instead of the original one which prompted the discussion.

They do have a legal right to own a lane, see riding two abreast. A motorist cannot safely pass a bicycle within the lane on many of our roads, therefor it is by default that a cycle owns the lane and certainly not illegal. Moving further to the center of that lane simply ensures other motorists know it is not a lane within which the cyclist can be passed safely.

**nzspokes** · 18th January 2015, 10:53

Originally Posted by TheDemonLord

Okay, lots to reply to

True, True - I forgot about Harley riders

But in all seriousness - if your motorbike can't do 50 kph on a residential road, then there is something seriously wrong with it

In his video - I got no problem with him starting in the middle, but once he is well and trully passed the left turn lane, and up to speed, he makes no attempt to keep left - and that is when the car squeezes him - The car driver is being a knob, but the cyclists is also being a knob and as we know - two knobs make a gay porn film.

and with that, the prosecution rests its case - he didn't keep left when he had the opportunity to, and then wonders why people get upset at him.

it isn't lost on me - the difference is that when I break the law for a reason that I claim is to increase my safety, I don't hold other people up. But you get awarded 10 internets for pointing it out (cause it made me Laff)

See above for my Harley joke - I know not all car drivers are slow - but let me put it this way, if I take off normally on my bike from the lights - I am usually a good 50-100 meters in front of the traffic (depending on what the speed limit is) by the time I am up to the speed limit. Sure cars can keep up with me if they want to thrash their car, but in general, most cars simply slower cornering, slower changing speeds than motorbikes (except for Harleys

)

(I'm sorry Harley riders, but I couldn't resist another dig)

Careful with the Harley jokes when you ride a Bandit with a tiny motor.

**mossy1200** · 18th January 2015, 11:25

I added the cyclist post. Its one of 38 negative posts. Hes reporting everyone he thinks he can to the police and also claiming police arnt doing their job.
Half his complaints contain non events that I wouldn't consider dangerous at all.
Idd suggest the cyclists is obsessed and idd say even likely hes causing some issues to gain footage.
Following drivers and confronting them.
Laughing online about a lady whose overweight.
These are the same people they want to take care around them. Hes the kind of guy that chases down the wrong driver and gets a bash in the head plus his 3 cameras taken from him. Just saying.

During what idd say is one of the better road awareness campaigns" See the person, share the road" this doesn't help drivers see someone they want to like a lot.

Its like every group. Theres a select few that think they are doing good for the cause but are blind to the fact they are causing a negative effect.

**mossy1200** · 18th January 2015, 11:57

Check this out. its a police response to one of his complaints.

Published on Mar 7, 2012

Re; Your various allegations of unsafe driving
Please refer to the following three matters;
(1) Online Community Roadwatch Reports x 13 received by the Community Roadwatch Programme on 18 July 2011. (Reference made to video clips on 'Youtube')
(2) Online Community Roadwatch Reports x 18 received by the Community Roadwatch Programme on 13 August 2011. (Reference made to video clips on 'Youtube')
(3) A complaint you made at Henderson Police Station Public Counter on 14 September 2011 regarding alleged unsafe passing by motor vehicle CMC356. (DVD included)
In regard to the 31 'Roadwatch' reports, (1 and 2 above), these were forwarded by Community Roadwatch to the Police.
Once again, I am aware that these matters are very similar to a number of other complaints that you have made in the past, which have resulted in no action being taken by Police.
As the Officer in charge of the Waitakere Police CIU, I have again reviewed these latest three matters accordingly.
I can advise you that Police again will not be taking any action against the drivers you have stated "overtook me [on your bicycle] giving a dangerous amount of clearance".
Legal advice from both the Police Legal Section and the Police Prosecution Section is that there are no applicable charges that can be laid against the respective drivers.
It should be noted by you that the passage you quote in each of your complaints from the "Offical New Zealand Road Code", in relation to safe driving around cyclists is a guide only to vehicle drivers. In other words, it is not legislation, and is not enforceable by Police.
These matters will now be filed accordingly
I can also advise you that any further complaints of a similar nature which you make will be returned to you with no action taken by the police.
Whilst I was reviewing the various video clips you provided or you have placed on Youtube, it was noted that on several occasions you have taken upon yourself to confront drivers (banging on their window, yelling at them words to the effect that they must allow 1.5 meters around cyclists, and to look for themselves on Youtube).
This is high risk behaviour on your part, and could lead to an incident of 'road rage'. If something like this occurs, Police will investigate...... If you are found to have provoked or caused such a matter, you could well face appropriate criminal charges.
Yours sincerely
A D King
Acting Detective Senior Sergeant AKG380
O/C Combined Investigation Unit,
Waitakere Police

NOTE the recommendations that he doesn't bang windows.

**bluninja** · 18th January 2015, 12:43

Originally Posted by mossy1200

This is high risk behaviour on your part, and could lead to an incident of 'road rage'. If something like this occurs, Police will investigate...... If you are found to have provoked or caused such a matter, you could well face appropriate criminal charges.
Yours sincerely
A D King
Acting Detective Senior Sergeant AKG380
O/C Combined Investigation Unit,
Waitakere Police

NOTE the recommendations that he doesn't bang windows.

Well that's him spanked....

Just my perverse view of things, but did he really get A D King (A dicking) from the police?

**mossy1200** · 18th January 2015, 12:48

Originally Posted by bluninja

Well that's him spanked....

Just my perverse view of things, but did he really get A D King (A dicking) from the police?

That's sharp. I didn't even notice that.

**TheDemonLord** · 18th January 2015, 15:37

Originally Posted by bogan

Whomever brought it up, that was the example you went to instead of the original one which prompted the discussion.

They do have a legal right to own a lane, see riding two abreast. A motorist cannot safely pass a bicycle within the lane on many of our roads, therefor it is by default that a cycle owns the lane and certainly not illegal. Moving further to the center of that lane simply ensures other motorists know it is not a lane within which the cyclist can be passed safely.

It seems then that you have an opinion, I have a differing one - the only difference is that mine appears to be the same one shared by the Police (although that is a dangerous arguement to make - as I might have to start agreeing with zero speed tolerance

)

**bogan** · 18th January 2015, 16:40

Originally Posted by TheDemonLord

It seems then that you have an opinion, I have a differing one - the only difference is that mine appears to be the same one shared by the Police (although that is a dangerous arguement to make - as I might have to start agreeing with zero speed tolerance

)

Is it though? Do the police prosecute or give fines to pedlies riding 2 abreast for not keeping as far left as possible?

Passing legislation still includes 100m vis in front if oncoming lane is used, and that it is done with due consideration for other users of the road. This means that on a narrow laned road, the cyclist owns that lane; whether you like it or not, this is still the case.

**R650R** · 18th January 2015, 17:31

Originally Posted by mossy1200

That's sharp. I didn't even notice that.

Yes good spotting. I saw in the comments from one of his latest videos that he has gone back home to Doncaster in England, home of Open all Hours. Maybe he will get a job there like Granville delivering groceries on pushbike on quiet city streets.
The police don't like it when you try and do their job for them, there's been plenty of other examples where people have been disregarded in similar cases, eg long running neighbour disputes etc.
If you go looking to document trouble you will find it, but also create it.

**bluninja** · 18th January 2015, 17:54

Originally Posted by R650R

Yes good spotting. I saw in the comments from one of his latest videos that he has gone back home to Doncaster in England, home of Open all Hours. Maybe he will get a job there like Granville delivering groceries on pushbike on quiet city streets.

Doncaster, also home to Jeremy Clarkson of Top Gear foot in mouth gaffes fame.