Microsoft to give away Windows 10, unveils hologram glasses

**TheDemonLord** · 23rd January 2015, 12:16

Originally Posted by Akzle

openoffice> apache office> ms office >

exchange, i'll givem, not that there aren't alternatives. stacks and stacks of free alternatives. but for an existing deployment is fuckloads easier than switching, and it isn't that offensive.

AD is an horrendous piece of shit (like much other M$)

sharepoint... yeah, not since they invented this thing called the internet...

Okay - this is where you are wrong.

Sure, I give you for everything MS offers there is an open source alternative - but Do the open source alternatives work natively together?

most of the time, the answer is No, when they can be made to work together they generally need some custom hack to work. This is where MS really have an advantage - all of the MS products talk to each other with little to no additional work, and certainly not with bodge job custom solutions.

Next is support - if one of our MS servers/platforms starts doing weird shit (that we can't figure out) we can pick up the phone and call through the the corporate MS helpdesk (who are actually quite helpful) as opposed to having to sift through various open source support resources online

Finally - dealing with users who are bad at change, have always used MS products and think that Linux (if they have heard of the time) is some form of city in Scandanavia

**Gremlin** · 23rd January 2015, 12:37

Originally Posted by TheDemonLord

most of the time, the answer is No, when they can be made to work together they generally need some custom hack to work. This is where MS really have an advantage - all of the MS products talk to each other with little to no additional work, and certainly not with bodge job custom solutions.

Next is support - if one of our MS servers/platforms starts doing weird shit (that we can't figure out) we can pick up the phone and call through the the corporate MS helpdesk (who are actually quite helpful) as opposed to having to sift through various open source support resources online

Actually, try importing Outlook data from Office Mac to Office PC... I can't believe they're made by the same companies

Exchange 2013 won't support anything less than Office 07...

Only time I ever call Microsoft is because their own licencing isn't working. They manage to fix it... hmm, 50% of the time at best (possibly because I call after I've failed).

**Akzle** · 23rd January 2015, 12:45

yeah. .docx in office 2k?
How about some backwards compatibility eh?

First, if an open sauce deployment is done correctly, it all works.
Which eliminates the need for second, support. Which is freely available 24/7 from the people who actually code the shit, not some desk jockey in india who basically reads the m$ website out to you.

Third, fuck end users. (only sysadmins matter) If theyre retarded enough to sit in front of a pc all day, they, as monkeys, can be trained to do what the fuck theyre told with what theyre given.

Fact-no computer doing important shit runs windows.

Theyre all *nix.

**TheDemonLord** · 23rd January 2015, 12:50

Originally Posted by Akzle

First, if an open sauce deployment is done correctly, it all works.

And that is the biggest IF I ever read.

Don't get me wrong - I like Linux - but there are things that just work in M$ land, that don't just work in Linux Land.

As for end users - Squeeky wheel, and unlike BOFH, I'm not allowed to prune the squeeky ones.

**TheDemonLord** · 23rd January 2015, 12:53

Originally Posted by Gremlin

Actually, try importing Outlook data from Office Mac to Office PC... I can't believe they're made by the same companies

Exchange 2013 won't support anything less than Office 07...

Done that - bad times.

As for Exch not supporting lower than 07 - RPC over HTTPS I think was only supported in Office 2007 onwards, so it kinda makes sense.

and considering anything older than 2007 is 8+ years old (like XP) I don't mind the lack of backwards compatability there.

Believe me - I have many instances of M$ making me want to punch cute kittens, but I know that Open Source isn't much better

**Gremlin** · 23rd January 2015, 13:40

Originally Posted by TheDemonLord

Done that - bad times.

As for Exch not supporting lower than 07 - RPC over HTTPS I think was only supported in Office 2007 onwards, so it kinda makes sense.

and considering anything older than 2007 is 8+ years old (like XP) I don't mind the lack of backwards compatability there.

Believe me - I have many instances of M$ making me want to punch cute kittens, but I know that Open Source isn't much better

Our environment is almost exclusively MS based... not sure what Akzle defines as important, but I classify a datacentre as pretty important for example.

Problem is, MS is cycling software every 3 years, it's too fucken fast for businesses where x talks to y, which talks to z and changing one to w means they won't talk to each other. First project for me this year is to work on a Exchange 2013 cluster for hosting clients... anyone with 03 gets ruled out... bit harder selling the product when they also have to upgrade software which did everything they needed...

**TheDemonLord** · 23rd January 2015, 14:08

Originally Posted by Gremlin

Our environment is almost exclusively MS based... not sure what Akzle defines as important, but I classify a datacentre as pretty important for example.

Problem is, MS is cycling software every 3 years, it's too fucken fast for businesses where x talks to y, which talks to z and changing one to w means they won't talk to each other. First project for me this year is to work on a Exchange 2013 cluster for hosting clients... anyone with 03 gets ruled out... bit harder selling the product when they also have to upgrade software which did everything they needed...

Your pain buddy,

I knows and feels it.

I am doing both our old WSS3, SP 2010 moving them all to SP 2013 (there isn't a direct upgrade path from WSS3 to SP 2013) and moving all of our CRM 2011 instances to CRM 2013

Akzle is referring to Web servers - and I hate to agree with him, but my access to Pr0n is pretty important too.

**Akzle** · 23rd January 2015, 14:20

Originally Posted by Gremlin

not sure what Akzle defines as important, but I classify a datacentre as pretty important.

no. Porn .

**Akzle** · 23rd January 2015, 14:23

Originally Posted by TheDemonLord

Akzle is referring to Web servers - and I hate to agree with him, but my access to Pr0n is pretty important too.

actually, things like the LHaC.
Things that need to be incredibly fast. Incredibly stable. Or 100% uptime.
Things where 'unhandled exception 0exffffuuuuck011' will cause loss of life, or black holes.

**Gremlin** · 23rd January 2015, 14:34

Originally Posted by TheDemonLord

I am doing both our old WSS3, SP 2010 moving them all to SP 2013 (there isn't a direct upgrade path from WSS3 to SP 2013) and moving all of our CRM 2011 instances to CRM 2013

I have a client with SBS2003 and CRM3... tied to each other... we're in the process of scoping a replacement CRM, then we can look at updating the SBS (for which there is no path unless we want a 2-3 step)....

**Akzle** · 23rd January 2015, 15:09

Originally Posted by Gremlin

I have a client with SBS2003 and CRM3... tied to each other... we're in the process of scoping a replacement CRM, then we can look at updating the SBS (for which there is no path unless we want a 2-3 step)....

...
su rm -R /

**Scuba_Steve** · 23rd January 2015, 15:18

Originally Posted by TheDemonLord

Okay - this is where you are wrong.

Sure, I give you for everything MS offers there is an open source alternative - but Do the open source alternatives work natively together?

most of the time, the answer is No, when they can be made to work together they generally need some custom hack to work. This is where MS really have an advantage - all of the MS products talk to each other with little to no additional work, and certainly not with bodge job custom solutions.

Next is support - if one of our MS servers/platforms starts doing weird shit (that we can't figure out) we can pick up the phone and call through the the corporate MS helpdesk (who are actually quite helpful) as opposed to having to sift through various open source support resources online

Finally - dealing with users who are bad at change, have always used MS products and think that Linux (if they have heard of the time) is some form of city in Scandanavia

You sure you're not thinking of Apple there??? "everything working" sounds more Apple than MS

**bogan** · 23rd January 2015, 15:27

Originally Posted by Scuba_Steve

You sure you're not thinking of Apple there??? "everything working" sounds more Apple than MS

Nah, that is 'everything we deem necessary for you plebs to have' is working.

Anyway, who gives a shit about OSs pricing plans? What's this about the hologram glasses?

**TheDemonLord** · 23rd January 2015, 15:46

Originally Posted by Scuba_Steve

You sure you're not thinking of Apple there??? "everything working" sounds more Apple than MS

Have you ever tried to do anything more than email, browse web pages, Photoshop and Protools on a Mac?

Its like tenderizing your scrotom with a jackhammer.

Its even worse if you have to deal with Mac users while you are trying to do it.