Microsoft to give away Windows 10, unveils hologram glasses

[Scuba_Steve]

I am not sure of your point here - My hardware will run Windows, various flavours of Linux etc. but won't run OSX - because OSX (made by Apple) is designed to only run on an artificially limited selection of hardware

Cool story bro... again Apple is a HW company, so they have a vested interest in making their SW only work with their HW which again is where they make their $$$

Again - FreeBSD has an equivalent to apt-get, I've used rEDInd - hated it, gone back to Grub for a multi-OS loader

And I can use an equivalent to "app-get" on my mac; admittedly I have only ever used this function once a few years back because I have a GUI that works, but nonetheless the option's there

All of my buttons need 1 finger, because sometimes (especially gaming) I might need to click more than one button at a time.

Hey true story here, computers are actually used for things other than gaming too
Also the macs mouse does gestures out the box, not just left & right click; much more functional

and no - a 3rd party mouse doesn't just work with a Mac:

Well if you weren't a ranting fanboy you may have seen the mouse did work, just not all the specialised buttons
You would have also seen it doesn't "just work with Windows" either, it needs to have the software installed the only difference was Logitech supplied Windows drivers they did not supply OS X ones. Guess to your logic that mouse doesn't work with Linux either

Its the same philosophy behind why new Mac Book air doesn't have a Network port - but you can buy a network port adapter for an extortionate price

I'm with you there. Those 5$ adaptors we got for the work Macbook Airs were well extortionate... Oh but you were probably talking official Apple branded gear since that's the "only stuff that works" given it's a "proprietary connector" any company can add to their laptops like the Acer's & HP's we also have at work, that require the exact same adaptor... Yea, Fuck Apple for forcing Acer & HP users to use their "proprietary" adaptors

[Scuba_Steve]

M95 support or gtfo.

Yea, I've seen even the iPad/iPhone control the M95, course this was the cool one made by Barrett & not the overpriced piece of plastic made my Corsair but still

[bogan]

Yea, I've seen even the iPad/iPhone control the M95, course this was the cool one made by Barrett & not the overpriced piece of plastic made my Corsair but still

It's pretty well priced for its form/function tbh. And it has an aluminium base, it is not just plastic. Hardware macros too.

How much per button is an apple mouse? M95 is about 6 bucks... So I got two

You're not doing much to shrug off the fanboi title...

[Scuba_Steve]

It's pretty well priced for its form/function tbh. And it has an aluminium base, it is not just plastic. Hardware macros too.

How much per button is an apple mouse? M95 is about 6 bucks... So I got two

You're not doing much to shrug off the fanboi title...

I don't know what that had to do with Apple aside from the iPad/iPhone; I mentioned Barrett, the weapons manufacture as they make a M95 also, twas a "joke" comment not a serious one don't get so upset about it
Yes the Corsair M95 might be decently priced for it's position in the market but doesn't change the fact they're all overpriced pieces of plastic & yes I too have brought +100$ gaming mice a couple of them even

[bogan]

I don't know what that had to do with Apple aside from the iPad/iPhone; I mentioned Barrett, the weapons manufacture as they make a M95 also, twas a "joke" comment not a serious one don't get so upset about it
Yes the Corsair M95 might be decently priced for it's position in the market but doesn't change the fact they're all overpriced pieces of plastic & yes I too have brought +100$ gaming mice a couple of them even

Actually that is exactly what fact it changes if they are decently priced

The upset never started, the joke however continues with me asking how much per button the apple mice are (cos they often only have one button you see ).

An like I said, you pay for more than just the plastic bit.

[TheDemonLord]

Cool story bro... again Apple is a HW company, so they have a vested interest in making their SW only work with their HW which again is where they make their $$$

So you concede the point I made - Apple are dicks for artificially trying to increase their profit margin by reducing my freedom as a consumer.

And I can use an equivalent to "app-get" on my mac; admittedly I have only ever used this function once a few years back because I have a GUI that works, but nonetheless the option's there

Since you are going to hold to your Mac love - Linux beats OSX on price. (and don't try and raise RedHat or other enterprise variants that aren't free to try and rebute)

Hey true story here, computers are actually used for things other than gaming too
Also the macs mouse does gestures out the box, not just left & right click; much more functional

A PC can do all the thing a Mac does, a Mac cannot do all the things a PC can do therefore a Mac is inferior to a PC.
And gestures are gay, so very very gay.

Well if you weren't a ranting fanboy you may have seen the mouse did work, just not all the specialised buttons
You would have also seen it doesn't "just work with Windows" either, it needs to have the software installed the only difference was Logitech supplied Windows drivers they did not supply OS X ones. Guess to your logic that mouse doesn't work with Linux either

I admit I am a Logitech Fanboy, but not a windows one - I hate windows, but I hate Macs oh so much more. but I can assure you, without installing the Logitech software suite, the specialized buttons just works with windows (because of how Windows can query the internet for a base driver for a device/install a driver from the device itself) If however I want to remap a button to function or a Macro - at that point I do need to install the Logitech suite

I'm with you there. Those 5$ adaptors we got for the work Macbook Airs were well extortionate... Oh but you were probably talking official Apple branded gear since that's the "only stuff that works" given it's a "proprietary connector" any company can add to their laptops like the Acer's & HP's we also have at work, that require the exact same adaptor... Yea, Fuck Apple for forcing Acer & HP users to use their "proprietary" adaptors

There are certain things I expect to be on a flagship product - a network port is one of them - so it doesn't matter if it was a $5 adapater or a $50 apple branded one - it is still something that should be included that isn't.

[Akzle]

A PC can do all the thing a Mac does, a Mac cannot do all the things a PC can do therefore a Mac is inferior to a PC.
And gestures are gay, so very very gay.

not quite.

mac(/osx) can rape the fuck out of hardware - ie use it five times better than any other OS i've seen, streaming, encoding, throughput, cache, memory, threads, polls, stacks, whatever. somehow *somehow* mac does it better. even on *comparable* hardware. fedora may *may* be a close second, provided your ducks are in a row.

windows is a memory whore. debian is slick once configured properly. ubuntu or any other derivative is poo. and jesus fucking fuck don't even start me on GDE3.


and mouse gestures win like a mother fucker.

two button mouses, that is.

[Scuba_Steve]

So you concede the point I made - Apple are dicks for artificially trying to increase their profit margin by reducing my freedom as a consumer.

Since you are going to hold to your Mac love - Linux beats OSX on price. (and don't try and raise RedHat or other enterprise variants that aren't free to try and rebute)

You mean to say Linux is better priced than free???
I believe you'll find OS X & most consumer Linux's are exactly the same price

A PC can do all the thing a Mac does, a Mac cannot do all the things a PC can do therefore a Mac is inferior to a PC.
And gestures are gay, so very very gay.

So your PC can run OS X? my Mac can run OS X, Windows & Linux

... I believe they call that a "BURN!!!"

I admit I am a Logitech Fanboy, but not a windows one - I hate windows, but I hate Macs oh so much more. but I can assure you, without installing the Logitech software suite, the specialized buttons just works with windows (because of how Windows can query the internet for a base driver for a device/install a driver from the device itself) If however I want to remap a button to function or a Macro - at that point I do need to install the Logitech suite

So you still need a driver... it doesn't work natively... & I would not be at all surprised if the driver Windows searches out for you is the same one that comes supplied. You're just reaffirming what I said in a different way

There are certain things I expect to be on a flagship product - a network port is one of them - so it doesn't matter if it was a $5 adapater or a $50 apple branded one - it is still something that should be included that isn't.

Cool story bro... doesn't change the fact they're slowly phasing out across all manufacturers, just like DVD/CD's, RS232 & VGA ports

[TheDemonLord]

a Lol cat

Ad Hominems, I believe that is an automatic win for me - but to retort, I don't have the same restrictions forced upon me by any other OS

You mean to say Linux is better priced than free???
I believe you'll find OS X & most consumer Linux's are exactly the same price

http://store.apple.com/nz/product/MC...6-snow-leopard

$25 isn't free - Ubuntu, Debian etc. are all free. you CAN pay for a copy of the install media (ie paying for the cost of a DVD) but that isn't the same as paying for the OS

So your PC can run OS X? my Mac can run OS X, Windows & Linux

... I believe they call that a "BURN!!!"

No, All the functionality I could achieve with OSX, my PC is able to provide (either running Windows or Linux) but there is functionality that Mac OSX cannot provide.

And beside - I can always run OSX on a virtual Machine (but I am not a masochist)

I believe that is called a Counter BURN!

So you still need a driver... it doesn't work natively... & I would not be at all surprised if the driver Windows searches out for you is the same one that comes supplied. You're just reaffirming what I said in a different way

If we are going to split hairs, then yes every peice of hardware requires a driver, however Windows natively will talk to just about any peice of hardware using either a generic driver, the driver supplied by the device itself or by silently downloading the driver - this is called plug and play. At no point do I need to manually find, download and install a driver. and whilst you may be correct that the process still happens, because I am not having to do it, PC > Mac

Cool story bro... doesn't change the fact they're slowly phasing out across all manufacturers, just like DVD/CD's, RS232 & VGA ports

All of those are legacy devices that have been superseded - there is a difference between replacing the 10/100 Ethernet port with a 10/100/1000 or replacing a DVD drive with a BluRay player and just leaving it out altogether.

[Scuba_Steve]

Ad Hominems, I believe that is an automatic win for me - but to retort, I don't have the same restrictions forced upon me by any other OS

Apple sell hardware, they happen to have software on it to make it work... Why da fuck would you expect them to make their software available for other hardware when hardware is what they sell; That's just fucking retarded
Next you'll be bitching cause the Ducati parts don't fit your Suzuki or the Dell support line won't help you solve a problem on your Asus

http://store.apple.com/nz/product/MC...6-snow-leopard

$25 isn't free - Ubuntu, Debian etc. are all free. you CAN pay for a copy of the install media (ie paying for the cost of a DVD) but that isn't the same as paying for the OS

Shit they still sell that?... Way to pick out a 4 generation old OS tho. Maybee next you can find a copy of OS9 when the cost was in the hundreds
OS X 10.9 Mavericks = Free
OS X 10.10 Yosemite = Free

No, All the functionality I could achieve with OSX, my PC is able to provide (either running Windows or Linux) but there is functionality that Mac OSX cannot provide.

And beside - I can always run OSX on a virtual Machine (but I am not a masochist)

I believe that is called a Counter BURN!

You said PC vs Mac NOT OS X vs Windows so no, not "counter BURN!"
Not "all the functionally" can be achieved with Windows, alot of the same things can be done but this doesn't mean "all functionality" is there

If we are going to split hairs, then yes every peice of hardware requires a driver, however Windows natively will talk to just about any peice of hardware using either a generic driver, the driver supplied by the device itself or by silently downloading the driver - this is called plug and play. At no point do I need to manually find, download and install a driver. and whilst you may be correct that the process still happens, because I am not having to do it, PC > Mac

WOW you brought into the Win98 propaganda... I've done IT for awhile & like fuck Windows is "plug in & play", it's got much better with Win7 onwards but it's still severely lacking

All of those are legacy devices that have been superseded - there is a difference between replacing the 10/100 Ethernet port with a 10/100/1000 or replacing a DVD drive with a BluRay player and just leaving it out altogether.

And the manufactures ALL manufactures are leaving it out all together on an increasing number of models...

[bogan]

Apple sell hardware, they happen to have software on it to make it work... Why da fuck would you expect them to make their software available for other hardware when hardware is what they sell; That's just fucking retarded
Next you'll be bitching cause the Ducati parts don't fit your Suzuki or the Dell support line won't help you solve a problem on your Asus

He is just pointing out apple is restrictive, as I did earlier. Mac hardware is more expensive, osx is more difficult to run on non-mac hardware... you see where we are going with this?

[Scuba_Steve]

He is just pointing out apple is restrictive, as I did earlier. Mac hardware is more expensive, osx is more difficult to run on non-mac hardware... you see where we are going with this?

OK so if were to go back a few pages & sum up then we have -
OS X is more restrictive in the devices it'll install on
OS X is less restrictive to use as an OS
OS X is more restricted in software choices like games

or if you prefer

Windows is less restrictive in the devices it'll install on
Windows is more restrictive as an OS
Windows is less restricted by software choices like games

unless we're talking the mobile versions then they're both restrictive with devices, both restrictive as an OS, but iOS is less restricted by software choices like games

...everyone happy now?

[bogan]

OK so if were to go back a few pages & sum up then we have -
OS X is more restrictive in the devices it'll install on
OS X is less restrictive to use as an OS
OS X is more restricted in software choices like games

or if you prefer

Windows is less restrictive in the devices it'll install on
Windows is more restrictive as an OS
Windows is less restricted by software choices like games

unless we're talking the mobile versions then they're both restrictive with devices, both restrictive as an OS, but iOS is less restricted by software choices like games

...everyone happy now?

So if OS Xis more restrictive in hardware and software, what is left for the windows to greaterly restrict 'as an os'? UAC?

[Scuba_Steve]

So if OS Xis more restrictive in hardware and software, what is left for the windows to greaterly restrict 'as an os'? UAC?

The control you have over the OS
Take bikes just cause you can get a Harley almost anywhere [Well call this HW] & get almost anything for them [SW] still doesn't make them handle well [OS restrictions]

Now yes this is alittle loose in comparison but it's not an easy thing to explain, more something you have to experience; End of day I have greater control over OS X than I do with Win7, I can make the OS do more, I have greater control over where things are, how they work & what they use (admittedly Linux has much this control also)

[bogan]

The control you have over the OS
Take bikes just cause you can get a Harley almost anywhere [Well call this HW] & get almost anything for them [SW] still doesn't make them handle well [OS restrictions]

Now yes this is alittle loose in comparison but it's not an easy thing to explain, more something you have to experience; End of day I have greater control over OS X than I do with Win7, I can make the OS do more, I have greater control over where things are, how they work & what they use (admittedly Linux has much this control also)

Do more? what more? The OS is a foundation, you build on top of it with the applications you want, the foundation itself does fuck all except facilitate the rest of the structure; what 'more' could I want?