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    Quote Originally Posted by Maha View Post
    Indeed, as we did for the Wire Rope Barrier campaign, but that too became a tired drag to most.
    Bring back the AAG....there was always plenty of food at an AAG meet

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    Quote Originally Posted by swbarnett View Post
    Speak for yourself. My bike is my primary transport. The luxury is all the wimps in cars parked up waiting to use the Auckland motorway.

    You're obviously one of the ignorant masses that's completely missed the point of ACC.

    Wow - you must be one of those real motorcyclists I've read about all my life. But them I've only been riding 35 years.

    ACC - pays when you have a accident. Been on a user pays system for bloody ages now - thus motorcyclists as a small user group with high claims pay more.

    What would be interesting is if all those 'wimps' in cars in Auckland starting riding would there be proportionally less motorcycle accidents thus lower ACC fees or would there be a higher number of accidents?

    The $500 or so a year I pay for rego represents good value to legally ride and do something that I have had a passion for my entire life. With the bonus of state funded medical cover if I have a accident.


    What society should be bitching about is all the people getting pissed up on Fri and Sat nights and ending up in hospital. For free. Charge those fucker a release fee I say and maybe they won't get so drunk next time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AllanB View Post
    What society should be bitching about is all the people getting pissed up on Fri and Sat nights and ending up in hospital. For free. Charge those fucker a release fee I say and maybe they won't get so drunk next time.
    Fucking right. Ive had enough of bailing my mother in law out of A&E on a weekend, drunken old scroat

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    Quote Originally Posted by AllanB View Post
    Wow - you must be one of those real motorcyclists I've read about all my life.
    If by that you mean someone that lives for the bike then yes, that's me.

    Quote Originally Posted by AllanB View Post
    But them I've only been riding 35 years.
    The question is, how many days in those 35 years have you actually ridden? Although it's the mindset that counts.

    Quote Originally Posted by AllanB View Post
    ACC - pays when you have a accident. Been on a user pays system for bloody ages now - thus motorcyclists as a small user group with high claims pay more.
    This is what it has been bastardised into. Even ACC has missed to point of what ACC is all about.

    Quote Originally Posted by AllanB View Post
    What would be interesting is if all those 'wimps' in cars in Auckland starting riding would there be proportionally less motorcycle accidents thus lower ACC fees or would there be a higher number of accidents?
    I think you would get an initial increase and then the proportional accident rate would decrease. Either way it would be a good thing. At least then we wouldn't be a battered minority.

    Quote Originally Posted by AllanB View Post
    The $500 or so a year I pay for rego represents good value to legally ride and do something that I have had a passion for my entire life. With the bonus of state funded medical cover if I have a accident.
    Don't get me wrong. As it stands the actual dollar value is not the issue. I agree that this is a small proportion of the annual running costs (especially when the bike is primary transport as it is with me). The problem is that we're held at fault for all our accidents (whether we caused them or not) under "NO FAULT" system. Am I the only one that can see the contradiction?

    Quote Originally Posted by AllanB View Post
    What society should be bitching about is all the people getting pissed up on Fri and Sat nights and ending up in hospital. For free. Charge those fucker a release fee I say and maybe they won't get so drunk next time.
    Once again you've missed the point of ACC. It's a system that is supposed to let EVERYONE do what fallible humans do and not end up in the poor house when it doesn't go according to plan. As a result everyone benefits.
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    Quote Originally Posted by swbarnett View Post

    Once again you've missed the point of ACC. It's a system that is supposed to let EVERYONE do what fallible humans do and not end up in the poor house when it doesn't go according to plan. As a result everyone benefits.

    accident
    ˈaksɪd(ə)nt/Submit
    noun
    1.
    an unfortunate incident that happens unexpectedly and unintentionally, typically resulting in damage or injury.
    "he had an accident at the factory"
    synonyms: mishap, misfortune, misadventure, mischance, unfortunate incident, injury, disaster, tragedy, catastrophe, contretemps, calamity, blow, trouble, problem, difficulty; technicalcasualty


    Going out and deliberately getting shit faced is not a accident - no free treatment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by swbarnett View Post

    Don't get me wrong. As it stands the actual dollar value is not the issue. I agree that this is a small proportion of the annual running costs (especially when the bike is primary transport as it is with me). The problem is that we're held at fault for all our accidents (whether we caused them or not) under "NO FAULT" system. Am I the only one that can see the contradiction?

    So all trail bikes, quad bikes, etc should have some form of chargeable registration as accidents on these motorcycles are added to the collective government stats and the road bikes charged accordingly.


    The alternative to ACC is to drop it and run a litigation system as per the USA - fall off the ladder you borrowed from your friend - sue him for the slippery footing that was slippery due to the dried paint on it that reduced the grip of the manufactures grip tread.

    ACC is a faulty system but one I prefer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AllanB View Post
    accident
    ˈaksɪd(ə)nt/Submit
    noun
    1.
    an unfortunate incident that happens unexpectedly and unintentionally, typically resulting in damage or injury.
    "he had an accident at the factory"
    synonyms: mishap, misfortune, misadventure, mischance, unfortunate incident, injury, disaster, tragedy, catastrophe, contretemps, calamity, blow, trouble, problem, difficulty; technicalcasualty


    Going out and deliberately getting shit faced is not a accident - no free treatment.
    If you're talking about treatment for alcohol poisoning then I agree with you. If you're talking about falling down and cracking your skull because you were drunk then that is an accident i.e. "an unfortunate incident that happens unexpectedly and unintentionally". The drunk did not intend to injure themselves.
    "Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin (1706-90)

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    Quote Originally Posted by AllanB View Post
    So all trail bikes, quad bikes, etc should have some form of chargeable registration as accidents on these motorcycles are added to the collective government stats and the road bikes charged accordingly.
    Not at all . As I've said before the only fair way to pay for ACC is from income tax. Get away from all this "user pays" bullshit and the admin savings alone would be enormous*.

    Quote Originally Posted by AllanB View Post
    The alternative to ACC is to drop it and run a litigation system as per the USA - fall off the ladder you borrowed from your friend - sue him for the slippery footing that was slippery due to the dried paint on it that reduced the grip of the manufactures grip tread.

    ACC is a faulty system but one I prefer.
    Agreed.





    *I'm all for user pays as long as the user is correctly defined. In the case of ACC the "user" is the whole country.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AllanB View Post

    ACC - pays when you have a accident. Been on a user pays system for bloody ages now - thus motorcyclists as a small user group with high claims pay more.
    Having see what the costs are for somebody having a long term stay in hospital then the resultant home stay while not working.

    This is missed by many. Until they need it.

    But would still be best if people stopped falling off the things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nzspokes View Post
    Having see what the costs are for somebody having a long term stay in hospital then the resultant home stay while not working.

    This is missed by many. Until they need it.

    But would still be best if people stopped falling off the things.
    Absolutely - I read some stats some time back and it is amazing how quickly you can burn $100k in medical services and recovery.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AllanB View Post
    Absolutely - I read some stats some time back and it is amazing how quickly you can burn $100k in medical services and recovery.
    Talking to a ACC worker a while back, some motorcycle riders use the cost of an average home.

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    So, is anyone going to go to this park up?


    Too Fat To Ride Slim

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    Quote Originally Posted by nodrog View Post
    we should have a ride to parliament
    why?? to show them you are an accessory riding fag??
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fatt Max View Post
    So, is anyone going to go to this park up?
    Is that like cottaging?

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