For all the teachers out there

[JimO]

I make sure my bikes get priority over my holidays. Thanks for helping to fund that, dickhead.

no problem

[schrodingers cat]

Everybody is an expert on education cause they've been to school.
Every party they'll roll out the 'when I was in forth form..' stories.

Teaching - I tried it. You can stick your umpteen weeks holiday up your arse. It's 'blood money'

[Moi]

Those moments when a kid says "I get it" or something to that effect as the penny drops compensate for all the crap dumped on teachers by those both inside and outside of education...

[sidecar bob]

Those moments when a kid says "I get it" or something to that effect as the penny drops compensate for all the crap dumped on teachers by those both inside and outside of education...

That satisfaction can also be gained by training a promising young chap in a trade. It is possible to be a teacher without being a "teacher"

[JimO]

That satisfaction can also be gained by training a promising young chap in a trade. It is possible to be a teacher without being a "teacher"

only if you wear a corduroy jacket with brown leather elbow patches

[Moi]

That satisfaction can also be gained by training a promising young chap in a trade. It is possible to be a teacher without being a "teacher"

Yes.

Most learning is as you describe... look, listen, do and learn...

We are all teachers: my practice was in an formal educational setting, your practice is in a less formal educational setting...

[Moi]

only if you wear a corduroy jacket with brown leather elbow patches

No... cap and gown!

[Berries]

I keep seeing the thread title and automatically add the words 'get fucked' to it.

Apologies to all the teachers out there, it's some kind of natural reaction that I have no control over. I have been refraining since the OP but alas have run out of whatever it is I have run out of.


Educashun probably.

[Swoop]

only if you wear a corduroy jacket with brown leather elbow patches

Are walk socks and pocket protector's still mandatory?

[Trade_nancy]

[QUOTE=angle;1130823750]100% and more. The role of a teacher is one of the key professions for any decent society as it forms the shape of the country for generations to come. It is worrying that people don't seem to grasp such a simple yet significant concept.

Didn't ask for a rhetorical answer - the question was simple - what percentage of the tax income to NZ IRD would teachers provide? The importance of teachers is plain. The importance of 80% of NZ's tax income stream is equally plain and at least as important. Without hard earners - there is no tax to fund teachers 13 weeks sunning themselves in the Coromandel.
How important, relevant and holistic their profession may be.....is not under dispute. People can grasp their importance..just not how much leave they get given...and still they complain about working after hours.

Rhetorical: An answer spoken to produce an effect and not necessarily to answer the actual question.

[Banditbandit]

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School hated hands on free thinkers with their own ideas, I'm not sure if it still does.

It's largely still like that - a few individual teachers do value free thinkers .. the system does not ..

I keep seeing the thread title and automatically add the words 'get fucked' to it.

Apologies to all the teachers out there, it's some kind of natural reaction that I have no control over. I have been refraining since the OP but alas have run out of whatever it is I have run out of.


Educashun probably.

I can appreciate your reaction - I largely share it - which seems quite strange as I work in the eduction sector ...

But Fuck Me .. I post a cartoon in the hope of making people laugh .. and the contributors here wander of on pro and anti-teacher tirades ... (not getting at you berries - just a general observation)

Can't y'all just laugh FFS ...

[oldrider]

It's largely still like that - a few individual teachers do value free thinkers .. the system does not ..



I can appreciate your reaction - I largely share it - which seems quite strange as I work in the eduction sector ...

But Fuck Me .. I post a cartoon in the hope of making people laugh .. and the contributors here wander of on pro and anti-teacher tirades ... (not getting at you berries - just a general observation)

Can't y'all just laugh FFS ...

Reckon everybody laughed OK but then the teachers had to explain why! - as is their want!

[Berries]

But Fuck Me .. I post a cartoon in the hope of making people laugh .. and the contributors here wander of on pro and anti-teacher tirades ... (not getting at you berries - just a general observation)

Never saw a cartoon, just the thread title which is missing the last two words.......

[Smifffy]

The teacher I always had the most respect for was the guy who told us that he used to have a senior technical job for one of the larger multi-national oil companies, but gave it up for less than half the wages so he could move to the beach and play tennis all year round, with the least working hours possible.

So I've been working in the industrial chemist/engineering field since leaving school, and am beginning to think about semi-retiring to the beach and teaching science lol.

[PrincessBandit]

That satisfaction can also be gained by training a promising young chap in a trade. It is possible to be a teacher without being a "teacher"

Absolutely. There are really talented and inspiring people in our profession as well as dead wood who, quite frankly, should get the hell out. They turn up, stand in front of the kids like a zombie for 5 periods (or whatever) then amble off home ready to repeat the next day. I can't help but wonder if they're partly responsible for all the mountains of extra paperwork we have to do in order to "prove" our efforts and worth each year to tptb further up the totem pole!
In fact, when I was at training college we were most certainly educated in the fact and reality of "informal education" where kids/people learn an indescribable amount of stuff to do with life, education, things that interest them etc. that all takes place outside the classroom walls on school grounds.

In my previous position as an itinerant clarinet/saxophone/flute -and-other-woodwind-instruments teacher, where I turned up for a few hours each week at various schools to teach these instruments to music students I had no formal school teaching qualification and was very very good at my job. The Teachers Council, in their wisdom, decided they couldn't possibly have anyone teaching in a school without getting their grubby little hooks into them and ensuring they "met the standard" (whatever that was to them) and making them become "registered" to keep tabs on them. Funny how there will always be those weirdos that slip through the loopholes though...

I had to go through gaining a formal qualification to teach in order to gain full registration and I could only do that through becoming a classroom teacher - not as the itinerant that I was. The two bemusing things that have come out of that is (1) it had no direct impact whatsoever on my ability to teach the instruments that I've played and taught for years, and (2) while I had no desire ever to be a classroom teacher of music I have actually really grown to enjoy the teaching side of it (not the paperwork side though).

As a musician and music teacher, informal education is a powerful and necessary part of the equation.