I want to corner faster but how?

[HenryDorsetCase]

how are you people not bored of this yet?

[Woodman]

how are you people not bored of this yet?

You mean this thread or KB in general?

[FJRider]

This is the important bit ... is how the advisory speed is calculated for a corner.

Speed advisory's on bends would most likely be as a result on the number of crashes on the bend. There would be no one formula that you could apply to all vehicles and bikes as they all handle differently.

You can't even quote another post on KB properly ... I don't know you can manage on a motorcycle.

But in reply ... the speed advisory signs are only advisory. Not mandatory limits to all vehicles ... " ... but as a Result of number of crashes on the bend .. ??? " ...

If you choose to ignore the advisory limits ... and crash on a corner ... it may be an accident reported as being one where speed was a factor. (ie: going too fast for the corner)

Dangerous driving charges may even follow ... even if you were under the posted speed limit for that area.

[haydes55]

Dangerous driving charges may even follow ... even if you were under the posted speed limit for that area.

I would hope every crash resulted in a dangerous driving charge. If the driving wasn't dangerous, a crash wouldn't have happened.

(for 90% of crashes at least)

[nzspokes]

[QUOTE=cassina;1130841902]

This is the important bit ... is how the advisory speed is calculated for a corner.[/QUOTE

Speed advisory's on bends would most likely be as a result on the number of crashes on the bend. There would be no one formula that you could apply to all vehicles and bikes as they all handle differently.

You are still an idiot.

[Metastable]

rider training days at a trackday.
if you're scared to ride faster than you do, and your mates are giving you shit for it - well its time to get some new friends

What he said.

Track schools will teach a street rider very important skills, even if you never plan on doing trackdays/go racing. Furthermore, I will say this (which many people won't agree with, but I am a firm believer) it would be even better if you did a track school that concentrates on trail braking. You see, most people just have to lean a bit more to make a corner when they THINK they are coming into a corner too hot, even though they really aren't going all that fast. However, if you want to give yourself the confidence of knowing that you can go around a corner even if you do have too much entrance speed, then you need to be comfortable trail braking. Once you learn how to trail brake, you give yourself a huge "fudge factor". You can brake mid corner, brake past the apex, or brake all the way around a corner... it doesn't matter.

Now, someone will most likely come in here and say that I am a nut case to suggest a newbie learn trail braking. In reality I have seen new (very slow) riders be taught trail braking and have naturally progressed much quicker than other riders who were never taught this technique. It is nothing new, the racers have been doing it for years.

Also, I don't suggest you ride like a maniac having to do crazy braking at every corner. However, it is a massive skill set to have in your back pocket if you get into a pickle. knowing you CAN get out of a pickle will give you the confidence to ride at a decent but safe pace.

[george formby]

What he said.
track school that concentrates on trail braking. it is a massive skill set to have in your back pocket if you get into a pickle. give you the confidence .

I pretty much agree. You don't need to go to a track to learn it, though. My N00b girlfriend and my delusional self covered trail braking on a recent rider training course, on public roads. I guess our instructor was happy enough with our riding to cover it. I've been doing it for years in ignorance, it just felt right, but we were taught the mechanics of it. For my G/F it's given her a tool (no sniggering) to avoid oh shit moments on the occasional corner. Shes not to fast just judges corners conservatively, as she should, and can now correct her line and speed comfortably rather than through gritted teeth. Easy.
A bit of good training goes a long way.

I think this walking lark is over rated. When people walked everywhere living into your 40's was considered very old age, it can't be good for us.

[george formby]

Like you I have found braking in corners helps tightening the radius if I have come in too fast but the braking I do is only a light tap and I would not want to risk doing it in the wet. Where a newbie would likely have a problem with this is how much braking to apply.

You will always be a newbie if you don't practice, even in the wet.

[george formby]

Yup, it's a skill to keep us out of trouble. I learned how to do it off road and amongst other things it carried over to tarmac.

[george formby]

Good luck to you then if you are able to brake in a corner in the wet and not come off.

Er, that's why I practice in the wet. I can't control what happens on the road but I sure as hell can give myself the best shot at avoiding it. Ignorance leads to fear.
Get out & practice, it's really not scary.

[Big Dog]

Good luck to you then if you are able to brake in a corner in the wet and not come off.

Given how often it rains here I'm surprised there is anyone who would call themselves an experienced rider who can't.

Even a fair weather rider should practice in the wet, given how narrow and ocean bound we are the weather can be very unpredictable.


Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

[PrincessBandit]

how are you people not bored of this yet?

OMG, I can't believe it's still going and that the female version of katman -with- a- bone is still worrying away at it...

I'm going with the general consensus here, ride your own ride, at your own pace, stuff what the signs say or others around you. You'll naturally find your own 'comfy' speed zone, whether it be slow or fast...

If you are concerned about riding alone and coming off with no one to find you until you've been half eaten by wild hogs, falcons and rats then go with a trusted friend who is able to rein in their own riding in order to help you extend yourself at your own pace. Most things take practice; improving lines, cornering, braking etc. only comes with trying things out - not head knowledge gathered from the shallowed suppository of knowledge that is kb.



Yes, it was deliberate before some git decides to take me to task on grandma and spulling

[mossy1200]

Im thinking if your finding yourself needing to brake check corners on the road you should slow down a bit prior to entering the corner.

[nzspokes]

When I do it as I said its a fine tuning thing that would not work if I had not reduced the bulk of my speed prior to entering the corner.

So you go into corners to fast then.

[bluninja]

Good luck to you then if you are able to brake in a corner in the wet and not come off.

So what happens when there's something in the way (eg jacknifed truck) part way around the corner? Do you just hit it for fear of falling off when braking in the wet? People suggest you set your speed in a bend to the distance you can safely stop in...so in the wet how slow do you have to go to be able to stop without brakes in a bend?

There's nothing lucky about remaining in control under acceleration and braking in the wet, it's a skill to be learned and practiced....but I suggest you go real slow and perhaps modify your bike..