Learning from accidents

[samgab]

Me neither, but I never wanted to look stupid asking No one has given you an answer yet. And I dont get any of those other thingys either.

"Meh" is an onomatopoeia. It's the sound made when someone is not interested in something...

[Luckylegs]

I have yet to do a wheelie or stoppie, my bike is on its centrestand

I will admit to have learnt something about others accidents and mostly my own on this thread.

and I dont understand what meh! is

A polite was of saying "who fucking cares".

Me neither, but I never wanted to look stupid asking No one has given you an answer yet. And I dont get any of those other thingys either.

Ok you can look stupid for not reading properly then! But seriously, its ok, i dint have the first coue eithef till i joined kiwibiker :-)

[Luckylegs]

i was born before txt speak, I get some of the above but miss most

Theyre nothing to do with text speak. Thats after my time too. Their just terms and in one case a name used hee in kb land in differing amounts over the years

..such fun!

[eldog]

"Meh" is an onomatopoeia. It's the sound made when someone is not interested in something...

It's not the sound I use........

lets ts hope the OP has learnt something I know I have

[Tazz]

and I dont understand what meh! is

Me neither, but I never wanted to look stupid asking No one has given you an answer yet. And I dont get any of those other thingys either.

You guys will like this site then:

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Meh

[unstuck]

Me neither, but I never wanted to look stupid asking No one has given you an answer yet. And I dont get any of those other thingys either.

Well gee thanks, Mr nobody here.

[eldog]

Well gee thanks, Mr nobody here.

Gee, thanks Mr Unstuck Sir.

and you to Tazz

soon I will be thanking everyone on KB so here goes

Thanks everyone on KB for the help - past, present and future


but I do appreciate your help

[bluninja]

What would have happened if you used the clutch when you realised what was going to happen?

Who knows, it was slide ...up in the air...I had just left a corner onto a long straight and was not covering the clutch...the tenth of a second to realise, 1 tenth to pull on the clutch...I was already airborne by then. If there's a next time I'll consider the clutch...or perhaps wring it's neck so it doesn't get traction back until it's in line and upright

[eldog]

Who knows, it was slide ...up in the air...I had just left a corner onto a long straight and was not covering the clutch...the tenth of a second to realise, 1 tenth to pull on the clutch...I was already airborne by then. If there's a next time I'll consider the clutch...or perhaps wring it's neck so it doesn't get traction back until it's in line and upright

for some reason I always cover the clutch and the brake. its instinctive for me. Like the brake and gear changes I just don't know how to use them properly yet.
Just like I like to be all over the bike and I am no racer. I have learnt to move smoother, get into position BEFORE the corner - not during it. I can alter position slightly if I need to.

I have so much to learn....

those ribs would have hurt.... 1600 km OMG

I was lucky, bruising and unable to move right arm till the next day.
lucky I didnt loose grip of the throttle on the way home
still have some issues with foot and shoulder but they are getting better
and the bike went ahead of me phew

[haydes55]

Who knows, it was slide ...up in the air...I had just left a corner onto a long straight and was not covering the clutch...the tenth of a second to realise, 1 tenth to pull on the clutch...I was already airborne by then. If there's a next time I'll consider the clutch...or perhaps wring it's neck so it doesn't get traction back until it's in line and upright

We are taught to clutch a wheelie back down at speedway. But the only risk of a wheelie that needs controlling is usually after a start and the clutch is covered then.

I wouldn't imagine it would help much on tarmac though. Patting the clutch lever usually allows less power to the wheel but still revving high enough so it's still breaking traction. In your case it sounded like it had full traction, so clutch would be about as useful as just shutting the throttle. I bet you could roll off throttle a lot faster than reaching for a clutch lever with a death grip on a skyward motorbike.

[eldog]

We are taught to clutch a wheelie back down at speedway. But the only risk of a wheelie that needs controlling is usually after a start and the clutch is covered then.

I wouldn't imagine it would help much on tarmac though. Patting the clutch lever usually allows less power to the wheel but still revving high enough so it's still breaking traction. In your case it sounded like it had full traction, so clutch would be about as useful as just shutting the throttle. I bet you could roll off throttle a lot faster than reaching for a clutch lever with a death grip on a skyward motorbike.

Jut what I needed to know, so closing the throttle/engaging the clutch would slow the rear wheel and cause traction to be regained - highside
then keeping the throttle constant would allow the traction to be regained slowly - possibly no highside.
would that be a basic summary?

[bluninja]

those ribs would have hurt.... 1600 km OMG

I was lucky, bruising and unable to move right arm till the next day.
lucky I didnt loose grip of the throttle on the way home
still have some issues with foot and shoulder but they are getting better
and the bike went ahead of me phew

I also did 2 full days of track time at a very fast race track. Apart from the rib, I rolled onto my head and elbow as I avoided my bike and went through 3 layers of leather and a bit of my elbow. It was 45 minutes before I calmed down enough from the adrenalin rush to go see the nurse. Ribs hurt, but mostly when you are laughing or bending so upright on the bike is fine.

Jut what I needed to know, so closing the throttle/engaging the clutch would slow the rear wheel and cause traction to be regained - highside
then keeping the throttle constant would allow the traction to be regained slowly - possibly no highside.
would that be a basic summary?

Remember you would be steering into the slide (or the same direction your rear wheel is heading) so that you get both wheels in line. Once they are in line more grip just pushes you forward faster rather than high side, and you can then use throttle, brakes and clutch as normal to control things.

[eldog]

I also did 2 full days of track time at a very fast race track. Apart from the rib, I rolled onto my head and elbow as I avoided my bike and went through 3 layers of leather and a bit of my elbow. It was 45 minutes before I calmed down enough from the adrenalin rush to go see the nurse. Ribs hurt, but mostly when you are laughing or bending so upright on the bike is fine.


Remember you would be steering into the slide (or the same direction your rear wheel is heading) so that you get both wheels in line. Once they are in line more grip just pushes you forward faster rather than high side, and you can then use throttle, brakes and clutch as normal to control things.

First part: owch, glad you are OK

Steering into slide - THAT I didn't know when it happened, could have saved me a whole lot of grief.
Hop others read this and apply it when they have a slide = learning from accidents

[samgab]

First part: owch, glad you are OK

Steering into slide - THAT I didn't know when it happened, could have saved me a whole lot of grief.
Hop others read this and apply it when they have a slide = learning from accidents

It's true, but you don't have time to consciously decide to do it, eg: "Oh, I'm sliding, right, what am I supposed to do in this situation? Oh yes, steer into the slide -- or was that steer where I want to go..."
That's why I stand by the idea of practising on crappy old farm bikes or trail bikes on paddocks or private dirt roads or whatever. Or cheap bikes at track days I suppose too. You kind of get a feel for what to do, and it's instinctive and muscle memory rather than conscious thought. And you'll have a few offs while playing before you get it, it doesn't usually happen naturally first time. You don't want that first few times to be on the road with possible oncoming cars and trees and fences etc all about.
But avoiding a slide, skid, or any sort of loss of traction in the first place is best on public roads, if at all possible.

Are there any threads about combined rider techniques; such as pressuring the footpegs, countersteering, shifting body position, road position when riding, proper cornering lines, smooth shifting, throttle control, emergency braking, trailing the rear brake, slow riding control/balance, not target fixating but looking at where you want to go, understanding the traction circle, and so on? A thread like that would be useful. So many riders I see on the road don't seem to know about any of those things...

[eldog]

It's true, but you don't have time to consciously decide to do it, eg: "Oh, I'm sliding, right, what am I supposed to do in this situation? Oh yes, steer into the slide -- or was that steer where I want to go..."
That's why I stand by the idea of practising on crappy old farm bikes or trail bikes on paddocks or private dirt roads or whatever. Or cheap bikes at track days I suppose too. You kind of get a feel for what to do, and it's instinctive and muscle memory rather than conscious thought. And you'll have a few offs while playing before you get it, it doesn't usually happen naturally first time. You don't want that first few times to be on the road with possible oncoming cars and trees and fences etc all about.
But avoiding a slide, skid, or any sort of loss of traction in the first place is best on public roads, if at all possible.

Are there any threads about combined rider techniques; such as pressuring the footpegs, countersteering, shifting body position, road position when riding, proper cornering lines, smooth shifting, throttle control, emergency braking, trailing the rear brake, slow riding control/balance, not target fixating but looking at where you want to go, understanding the traction circle, and so on? A thread like that would be useful. So many riders I see on the road don't seem to know about any of those things...

yes I want my reaction to be instinctive rather than thought, I had enough time to 'remember' what I read about tankslappers put it into place and actually see it diminishing.....

its my intention once I get my on road skills a bit better sorted to give these other methods ago.
- slow speed control, clutch/brake etc

combined techniques - that's my next level of rider training and books .....

then maybe a track day with coaching - refining technique

then on road practise