Learning from accidents

[bogan]

I came to grief the same way as you but now just ride the centre line to hopefully buy me more time if a parked car is on the side of the road idling. I could not see myself looking down to see the wheels turning while at the same time not causing a car following me to rear end me.

What about cars on the other side of the road then? surely you are now closer to them. Oh, and the idea is to see the wheels, not see yourself seeing the wheels; the mirrors don't always line up like that.

I am happy to enjoy the ride and i bet if I do ever come to grief it will not be as a result of a lack of scanning.

Your post above puts lie to that as it shows that has already happened to you (and more than once).

[george formby]

It's ripped my nightie for quite some time that the powers that be and media use shock & horror in an effort to heighten road user awareness. Bollocks.
Education and positive reinforcement will trump deterrent every time.

I'm also wondering what my favourite self educated and dogmatic KB'er thinks about and looks at while riding. Certainly nothing to do with motorcycling judging by the posts in this thread.
Answers on a post card please.

[haydes55]

At least we can all learn from Cassina. She has taught me that even with all the information, some people will still ignore common sense and have crashes, no matter how bad anyone tries to help. She has taught me how to not act if I want to be safe. She has taught me how a stubborn attitude could cause myself harm.

So thank you cassina, I have learned from your posts... I've learned what I want to be the exact opposite of.

[swbarnett]

if it was as easy as you guys make out

No-one said it was easy. Just something worth developing. It becomes second nature once you do.

[Akzle]

I am happy to enjoy the ride and i bet if I do ever come to grief it will not be as a result of a lack of scanning.

scanning.... fine art!

[ruaphu]

But if you don't apply a degree of trust in other drivers..........

Sorry Cass I've read the thread, but having a degree of trust in other road users!? Really!?

Come on Cass, after so long on the road and four accidents you still hold onto that???

Crikey, even when i was learning to drive as a kid way back when, this point was hammered home to me.

Bottom line...... NEVER trust any road user at ANY time.

The fact is, you can rely on other road users to feck it up at YOUR expense at any time.

Failure to learn from any failure is a recipe for future failure.

Four accidents, trusting other road users and not learning to scan........... Another failure is going to occur............... Sooner or later.

The kb crew makes some good points on scanning your environment for YOUR safety, probably the best free advice you'll ever get. Hell i paid for that very advice taking rider courses when i returned to riding, it's saved my sorry R'se a number of times now.

Open ya mind and open ya eyes Cass before ya knock it eh.






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[Berries]

scanning.... fine art!

Scanning, not scamming.

[Akzle]

Scanning, not scamming.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/defin...n%20fine%20art

[ellipsis]

...if you were caught trying to convince a block of cheese that it wasn't a jar of caviar, were told of the futility and then continued, the cheese has won...even though it is still a block of cheese...

[Katman]

You just don't get it do you that most other people don't have the scanning skills you claim either as I have said there would be no accidents "AT ALL" if they did now would there????????? I bet you travel at about 20-30 km/hr in order to ensure nothing is missed with your scanning because the faster you go the more you will miss!!!!

Stop being so fucking lazy.

Learn to concentrate on what you're doing.

That includes opening your eyes and taking in what is happening around you.

[swbarnett]

You just don't get it do you

I think the truth is the other way around.

most other people don't have the scanning skills you claim

This is absolutely true.

The thing is, contrary to what you're espousing, it's a skill that anyone that can ride a motorcycle can develop. Some, like yourself, choose not to. Others have yet to find out that it's possible (this is what good training is about).

I bet you travel at about 20-30 km/hr in order to ensure nothing is missed with your scanning

I don't know about KM but you obviously haven't seen me on an Auckland motorway in rush hour.

because the faster you go the more you will miss!!!!

Only to a point. You almost can't ride faster than your subconscious operates when well trained. I have been in situations where I was braking long before I even thought about doing so (consciously that is).

[T.W.R]

You just don't get it do you!!!!

[Berries]

Just wow.

Given how many people drive and ride every day there are relatively few crashes and very very few deaths. Ever thought that you might be the odd one out? You certainly are on this forum.

[Katman]

Have you ever thought you may have a God or a Spirit controlling you on your bike as that would be the only way to explain why you are able to brake without being conscious of it.

Ah that's it.

I'm the second coming of Jesus.

[swbarnett]

If your scanning skills belief was as trustworthy as you think why do we not see in the media that all those that have died on the road
would be alive if they had "Scanning Skills"

Because the average motorist and the media "just don't get it" because they really can't be bothered putting in the effort it takes to develop them.

Have you ever thought you may have a God or a Spirit controlling you on your bike as that would be the only way to explain why you are able to brake without being conscious of it.

Call it what you will. It's definitely still fully within the cranium.