Learning from accidents

[Luckylegs]

Rider training will become more necessary with changes in rider licencing is my understanding.

You hit a dog head on? Considering your average mutt would be about 300mm wide head on thats a good effort. Shame you could use some of the other 2 odd meters of road lane to go past it.

Thats the problem with arguing continually with someobe like cassina. At some point you get lazy, say something dumb and look like the knob!

Re-read the quote

[nzspokes]

If you read my post again I said it was a "car" that hit me head on. If a dog runs out of a driveway the hit is "side on" unless that driveway is at the end of a cul-de-sac

How big was the dog?

[Mom]

No it is not me who thinks they can be 100% safe on a bike but some one here who have done rider training
or who claim to have mind reading ability or scanning skills or whatever other power they claim to have that has made them become crash proof irrespective of whether they or another motorist screws up. I remember another poster on here last year saying that the reason why rider training is not compulsory is because it creates an overconfidence in ability in some riders which I believe is what many on here who have debated with me have as none of them has struck a situation where shit has happened to quick to even brake and they have it in their minds I am at fault for not having their scanning ability which in the case of the dog I hit would require me for example to be able to look over a fence and up a driveway before reaching the driveway and as for the head on collision I was in coming off a one way bridge, for that to be avoidable by me I would have to have senses before even getting on to the bridge that a guy was going to come around the bend on the other side of it with the belief it was a two way bridge. I have posted these actual accident examples on here before and no one has said that rider training would have taught me how to avoid either other than it would never happen to them as they can scan and mind read both the thinking of drivers and dogs they can't see. And you think I am the over confident one eh????

Jesus! Do you ever stop to take a breath? I have tried a couple of times to read this dribble. Impossible.

[nzspokes]

Your reading skills are clearly on a par with hers.

Fair call. But that was one hell of a sentence to try to get through at this hour of the day after only one coffee.

[Luckylegs]

Hope you can handle riding better than my sentences then!!

Of course he can. There's training for riding. No-one from kindy to uni prepares you for dealing with nutters like you!!!

[nzspokes]

Hope you can handle riding better than my sentences then!!

How big was the dog?

[awayatc]

No it is not me who thinks they can be 100% safe on a bike but some one here who have done rider training
or who claim to have mind reading ability or scanning skills or whatever other power they claim to have that has made them become crash proof irrespective of whether they or another motorist screws up. I remember another poster on here last year saying that the reason why rider training is not compulsory is because it creates an overconfidence in ability in some riders which I believe is what many on here who have debated with me have as none of them has struck a situation where shit has happened to quick to even brake and they have it in their minds I am at fault for not having their scanning ability which in the case of the dog I hit would require me for example to be able to look over a fence and up a driveway before reaching the driveway and as for the head on collision I was in coming off a one way bridge, for that to be avoidable by me I would have to have senses before even getting on to the bridge that a guy was going to come around the bend on the other side of it with the belief it was a two way bridge. I have posted these actual accident examples on here before and no one has said that rider training would have taught me how to avoid either other than it would never happen to them as they can scan and mind read both the thinking of drivers and dogs they can't see. And you think I am the over confident one eh????

you can make money offering your services to isis....

Your drivel is pure fuckin torture

getting one's head cut off after having had to endure your ranting would be a mercifull relief


you are a living reminder of how gratefull I am to have gotten my divorce of somebody who started to sound just a little bit like you....

[swbarnett]

there are some on here that say over and over again "Everything is" irrespective of which party screws up.

I think not. KM seems to have at time implied this at times but I don't think even he believes that EVERYTHING is avoidable. We're just saying that if you put your faith in other drivers even slightly then you vastly increase the number that, for you, are "unavoidable".

[swbarnett]

... which in the case of the dog I hit would require me for example to be able to look over a fence and up a driveway before reaching the driveway

It's not about knowing the dog is going to come out before they do. It's about being ready on the off-chance. Braking is not the only tool you have in this situation either. I've avoided dogs in this exact situation by a combination of lean and acceleration.

I have been hit by a pedestrian while cornering through the lights in the Auckland CBD. There was a crowd of people on the kerb waiting for their turn. Just before I was hit I saw in my peripheral vision this idiot come out of the crowd at a dead run. Because I spotted them a split second before impact I was ready for it and stayed upright. Since then I keep a much wider line in this situation. My "scanning" tells me that there is somewhere I can't see so I keep as far away from it as possible.

The thing is that I didn't know I'd seen them when they hit. The memory only came to me afterwards. It was my sub-conscious that had seen them and set my body and bike up to take the impact.

It's the same for world-class cricketers. It takes the average athlete about two thirds of a second to react consciously to anything. It takes about a third of a second for a cricket ball to travel the length of the pitch. How the hell do you think batters actually connect with the ball? Unlike you, they've developed their "scanning skills". They see how the ball leaves the bowlers hand and their subconscious mind does the calculations thousands of times faster than the conscious ever could.

[bluninja]

SNIP ...I am at fault for not having their scanning ability which in the case of the dog I hit would require me for example to be able to look over a fence and up a driveway before reaching the driveway.....

So how big was the dog, that you had an accident when colliding with it? I once hit a fox; saw it's eyes in the headlights between 2 parked cars and assumed it would run in front of me at the worst possible moment so covered the brake. At 2-3 metres away it launched, the brakes were applied and then front released as it crossed in front of the wheel and I was about to hit. The front wheel broke it's neck and bounced it out of the way and I came to a controlled stop, went back and picked up my road kill and took it home for some lovely fox stew. OK so I didn't have fox stew I don't count the collision with the fox as an RTA in the same way I don't count bird strike of big bug splats on the visor.....now they ARE unavoidable!

An open driveway....hmmm...potential hazard...kids, dogs, cats, balls suddenly flying out. Take a road position to see into the driveway as early as possible (if there's a fence or wall blocking your view) and adjust your speed accordingly. Scanning ahead and increasing your awareness of potential hazards mitigates the chances of things catching you unawares, and gives you more time and more options to avoid or reduce the effect of any collision (if there is one). I agree some things cannot be FULLY anticipated and that some collisions will happen. That doesn't mean people should then not seek to improve their chances of avoiding incidents that could be avoided, or mitigate damage in those that aren't.

[Maha]

Hope you can handle riding better than my sentences then!!

You should get together with Juniper and write thy memoirs, she hates driveways and fucking dogs, well not actually fucking dogs as such, just the ones that make you bruise your bike a tad.

[James Deuce]

Hey, look she misquoted me AGAIN! And missed the point.

I said that a series of previous National Traffic Superintendents followed the company line publicly that advanced driver or rider training was frowned upon because it made people have accidents at higher speeds.

I thought that was utter stupidity and it has now carried over into actual policy in that we are now being expected to cater for the incompetent drivers and take responsibility for their mistakes. "Slow down, other people refuse to take responsibility for their incompetence."

I believe that worthwhile training will install better skills and attitude. The attitude bit is MORE important than the skills bit. A good attitude will prevent the need to use the skills in anger. But the skills are needed for a variety of reasons, not all of them apparent in "normal" riding.

The only thing I've learned about accidents is that if you have one and admit that you contributed to it by letting your ego run amok, the judge, juries and executioners here will immediately expel you from the cabal. People wank on in that depression thread but when confronted by an actual injury causing a couple of debilitating mental health and cognition issues, most "good bastard/bitch" motorcyclists run a fucking mile. That's what I've learned.

[bogan]

When what I say becomes over your head or unpalatable from your in ground perceptions it is easier to switch off eh!!!

At least he can reach his own off switch you flabby sack of shit.

[ellipsis]

When what I say becomes over your head or unpalatable from your in ground perceptions it is easier to switch off eh!!!

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[unstuck]

I hit a stoat once on my T500, fucker could have killed me.