Your sovereign rights being flushed down the toilet by our politicians

[bogan]

have a look at a map, and it will answer your own question

What about the section of bush just behind my parents place, 94,000 ha should surely be enough for you...

[Scuba_Steve]

Then why would you think you can't go off the grid completely here?

Because you can't*

*If the oppressors find you cutting trees & clearing bush for a little shelter off the grid on land you aren't paying them money for they'll bust it down & drag you through their legal system faster than you can say "fuck off"... Course they might house & feed you for awhile at the expense of the tax payer & against both parties wishes but they won't let you live outside the system.

[puddytat]

And will you be using roads on said bicycle? and the internet while you do so?

Like I said, you claim to want to go off grid, yet here you are, still very much plugged in.

In this case, it is put up and shut up, because if you are putting up (going off the grid) there will not be internet access.

Why does going off the grid have to be all or nothing....you'd be fucking stupid to try & to do so, what are you a Luddite?
Obviously you'd want as many techy bits & tools as you need to be a Hi-Tech Hippy.
Oh, & the biggest hurdle would be weaning yourself of debt. With debt you'll never be truly free.

The people I know who are having a serious crack at it are some of the hardest working people I know & they are nearly all to a tee trying there hardest to not have to rely on a system they don't believe will be there for them when the shit hits the fan.

Good luck muppets.

[bogan]

Why does going off the grid have to be all or nothing....you'd be fucking stupid to try & to do so, what are you a Luddite?
Obviously you'd want as many techy bits & tools as you need to be a Hi-Tech Hippy.
Oh, & the biggest hurdle would be weaning yourself of debt. With debt you'll never be truly free.

The people I know who are having a serious crack at it are some of the hardest working people I know & they are nearly all to a tee trying there hardest to not have to rely on a system they don't believe will be there for them when the shit hits the fan.

Good luck muppets.

Because it was about govt enslavement vs enslavement of the mind. I'm not enslaved by either so have no desire to go off the grid in any shape or form myself. But to those who insist they are enslaved by the govt and 'its' system of barter I suggest they just go completely off the grid to exercise their freedoms, hence the all or nothing approach.

Weaning yourself of debt is a very good way to put it.

I can respect that 100%, be the change etc...

[Brian d marge]

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Weaning yourself of debt is a very good way to put it.

I can respect that 100%, be the change etc...

now here we can agree

sorry about that

[jonbuoy]

ha?

you have no idea what you are talking about

absolutely

even here in japan there are places ive been that if u were in trouble its siyonara and that japan and as different from western culture as u can get

Nope the hard core Middle East and lawless parts of Africa are as different from western culture as you can get. Japan's not that different in the grand scheme of things.

[puddytat]

Yeah but Japan has the advantage of a VERY strong culture which in times of chaos will make a huge difference in how as a nation they will handle it.
Countries that are basket cases now will only get worserer.
Colonel Kurtz's "the horror" is going global.


Its an Apocalypse Now thing.....

[Brian d marge]

Nope the hard core Middle East and lawless parts of Africa are as different from western culture as you can get. Japan's not that different in the grand scheme of things.

since when has poor people running around with guns got to do with culture
two of my clients have just come back from nigeria and love the place
thats africa isnt it

japan is completely different from the west .
period

[jonbuoy]

since when has poor people running around with guns got to do with culture
two of my clients have just come back from nigeria and love the place
thats africa isnt it

japan is completely different from the west .
period

Been to Japan before - not so different - still a nice stable safe country. The cappuccino anarchists would be shitting themselves if they ever did end up in a country with no government control. Without the government it ends up being the strongest gangs/families that control things.

The ones that think our governments are intrusive should try living in the Middle East - a internet except for sattelite based is filtered and scanned. You wouldn't be able to post comments like this about the government.

Nigeria is or was a complete shit hole - not sure how anyone can say it's a great place - not uncommon to see dead bodies just left by the sides of the roads to rot. Better pray you don't need a blood transfusion or decent medical care out there.

[pete376403]

Been to Japan before - not so different - still a nice stable safe country. The cappuccino anarchists would be shitting themselves if they ever did end up in a country with no government control. Without the government it ends up being the strongest gangs/families that control things..

Oh I dunno - Belgium did ok without a government for nearly two years.

[Brian d marge]

Been to Japan before - not so different - still a nice stable safe country. The cappuccino anarchists would be shitting themselves if they ever did end up in a country with no government control. Without the government it ends up being the strongest gangs/families that control things.

The ones that think our governments are intrusive should try living in the Middle East - a internet except for sattelite based is filtered and scanned. You wouldn't be able to post comments like this about the government.

Nigeria is or was a complete shit hole - not sure how anyone can say it's a great place - not uncommon to see dead bodies just left by the sides of the roads to rot. Better pray you don't need a blood transfusion or decent medical care out there.

if you have to japan before you would know that the cultures are 180 degrees different
night and day
what . . .ill say again has people running around with guns have to do with culture or living offthe grid

as of last saturday ,nigeria was reported to be quite a nice place

Lots of Honda workers are over therebuilding a service network and looop photovoltaic are were thinking about sponsoring the football team

the only complaint was the price of the safari park 50 us dollars odd

now IF you are talking about SHTF and WROL situations

then yes doubt i would survive too

even with the skills i have . . I MIGHT be ok for about a month or two . . long term . . yes well

the bbc did a wonderful what if documentary its on you tube

but all of that has nowt todo with living off grid

[Brian d marge]

Oh I dunno - Belgium did ok without a government for nearly two years.

oh that was a classic . . along the lines of we should jail bankers . .iceland

local govern . . community even is the way to go

these super cities are just an orwelian nightmare

[jonbuoy]

if you have to japan before you would know that the cultures are 180 degrees different
night and day
what . . .ill say again has people running around with guns have to do with culture or living offthe grid

as of last saturday ,nigeria was reported to be quite a nice place

Lots of Honda workers are over therebuilding a service network and looop photovoltaic are were thinking about sponsoring the football team

the only complaint was the price of the safari park 50 us dollars odd

now IF you are talking about SHTF and WROL situations

then yes doubt i would survive too

even with the skills i have . . I MIGHT be ok for about a month or two . . long term . . yes well

the bbc did a wonderful what if documentary its on you tube

but all of that has nowt todo with living off grid

Japan has a different culture to NZ as Spain and Germany do but not so far apart as Saudi Arabia and Nigeria are to us. Visited Tokyo, Hiroshima and Kyoto felt perfectly safe was clean hygenic and still had the same "cafe/bar" culture men freely mixing with women. I would go back tomorrow.

Would never go back to working in Nigeria - not worth the extra money for the risk of being kidnapped or getting seriously ill out there. Thats why they have to pay their oil workers big bucks - and its still not worth it for most people capable of getting work elsewhere. You want to live off the grid - thats how a lot of people live out there and they didn't look happy to me.

At the other extreme I would never go back to Saudi either - no social scene except in some of the big western hotels, heavily censored and filtered internet, men and women unable to mix freely, chop chop square still in service. A lot of workers out there are living in genuine slavery.

You aren´t slaves - just spoilt whiny bitches who don´t know how good you have it.

[Brian d marge]

sounds like you are one of those kiwi that just dont fit in and piss the locals off
ie earls court
sorry ya dead wrong about japan been here 16 years now and even though i speak japanese i still do not fully understand the culture
and ive spent a lot of time studying it

so I KNOW you dont

and alls good and fine if you think its all good and fine then more power to ya
just pay ya tax and watch strictly come dancing its a good show

[jonbuoy]

sounds like you are one of those kiwi that just dont fit in and piss the locals off
ie earls court
sorry ya dead wrong about japan been here 16 years now and even though i speak japanese i still do not fully understand the culture
and ive spent a lot of time studying it

so I KNOW you dont

and alls good and fine if you think its all good and fine then more power to ya
just pay ya tax and watch strictly come dancing its a good show

I guess you've been drinking and posting....again.