Your sovereign rights being flushed down the toilet by our politicians

[flyingcrocodile46]

The video spells it out in plain english and comes from those who have access to the TPPA negotiations.

The New World Order is a big threat to sovereign states, speakers at an international conference say.

The anti-war initiative, Perdana Global Peace Foundation, has a single goal of putting an end to war.

Founded by Malaysia’s former Prime Minister Dr Mahathir Mohamad, the Foundation encourages dialogues between different nations, people and organisations to foster and energise global peace.

Its sister foundation, the Kuala Lumpur Foundation to Criminalise War aims to undertake all necessary measures to criminalise war and energise peace. It also found former US President George Bush and former British Prime Minister Tony Blair, among others, guilty of war crimes.

The recent activity by the Perdana Global Peace Foundation was a one-day international conference titled the New World Order, Recipe for War or Peace.

The keynote address was delivered by Dr Mahathir who warned that Malaysia might lose its independence if the government falls prey to the ploys of the US to increase its global hegemony through economic means.

Dr. Mahathir pointed out that the Transpacific Partnership or TPPA is a New World Order strategy by a powerful pact of people led by the US to dominate the world economy.

https://youtu.be/ZFH10lenuNM
Interesting that Dr Thomas Barnett (championing the benefits of the agreement) was quick to point out that America was the country that was losing more of the damages claims made under the treaty than any other countries (as if to say 'the US has more to lose than other sovereign states'). Completely ignored the fact that the corporations are winning nearly all of them and that it is the tax payer who is paying the cost. Not the politicians or their corporate owners.

[Ocean1]

'Cause, y'know, there's always another, (non-socialist) side: http://www.rationaloptimist.com/blog...-benefits.aspx

"The trade barriers in the Atlantic cost consumers on both sides. Mr Shapps pointed out last week that every American pair of jeans costs you 12 per cent more than it should; every British pint of beer costs Americans 157 per cent more than it should. Americans are forbidden by law from buying British lamb or venison. TTIP is set to tackle some of these absurdities, to reduce non-tariff barriers, harmonise standards and give people more freedom to buy from whomever they choose.

TTIP’s opponents are particularly horrified that it includes a provision to let large and small businesses sue foreign governments for shutting them out of investment in their countries. My worry is that this provision may not go far enough — to enable consumers to have redress against governments."

And it's true that NZ is one of the most open markets, and therefore stands to benefit, (potentially enormously) from any reduction in protectionist policy amongst our trading partners.

It may even mean that I can buy an American computer at the price an American would, (less than half what I currently pay). And if I have the right to take uncle sam to court in order for that to happen then wouldn't that be fucking wonderful.

[Scuba_Steve]

It may even mean that I can buy an American computer at the price an American would, (less than half what I currently pay). And if I have the right to take uncle sam to court in order for that to happen then wouldn't that be fucking wonderful.

Good luck with that... Fuck when was the last time you brought a computer, 1996???
For me I'd rather keep the 4$ paracetamol than save 20$ on a PC

[Ocean1]

Good luck with that... Fuck when was the last time you brought a computer, 1996???
For me I'd rather keep the 4$ paracetamol than save 20$ on a PC

Bought some last year. Cost me over a grand each more than the US price.

Not sure what the effect would be on Pharmac's buying schedule. It's a possible negative, but it's not likely to be all bad.

[Scuba_Steve]

Bought some last year. Cost me over a grand each more than the US price.

Not sure what the effect would be on Farmac's buying schedule. It's a possible negative, but it's not likely to be all bad.

I can't speak for server grade systems but at the level I'm buying I'd struggle to save anything near significant enough to even bother going US 8/10 times
The rise from 4$ paracetamol to 40$ paracetamol will affect me however

[bogan]

I can't speak for server grade systems but at the level I'm buying I'd struggle to save anything near significant enough to even bother going US 8/10 times
The rise from 4$ paracetamol to 40$ paracetamol will affect me however

You are quesitoning Ocean1's prices, so lets question yours. Why would paracetemol increase to 10x the price when the current prices are pretty much the same?

I'd save shitloads buying PC parts from US companies if not for the shipping and import fees.

[Ocean1]

I can't speak for server grade systems but at the level I'm buying I'd struggle to save anything near significant enough to even bother going US 8/10 times
The rise from 4$ paracetamol to 40$ paracetamol will affect me however

It's actually got worse...

:http://www.dell.com/us/business/p/pr...workstation/pd

http://www.dell.com/nz/business/p/pr...workstation/pd

Oh, and I suspect your paracetamol might become cheaper under any free trade agreement worthy of the name.

[pete376403]

Generic drugs probably wont move much in price, given that they are off patent and made in India anyway. Its the super specialist stuff that Pharmac is able to negotiate better prices for. The big pharmaceutical companies hate that and want to be able to make Pharmac pay full price or bypass Pharmac altogther by being able to sue the NZ government for lost profits.

[Scuba_Steve]

You are quesitoning Ocean1's prices, so lets question yours. Why would paracetemol increase to 10x the price when the current prices are pretty much the same?

I'd save shitloads buying PC parts from US companies if not for the shipping and import fees.

yea ok paracetamol was probably a bad choice, tho USA's equivalent to panadol is more expensive so I wouldn't rule out an increase to more likely 1.5-2x not 10x
Import fees? You mean GST, something you'd still have to pay with FTA... there aint no duties on PC parts

It's actually got worse...

:http://www.dell.com/us/business/p/pr...workstation/pd

http://www.dell.com/nz/business/p/pr...workstation/pd

Oh, and I suspect your paracetamol might become cheaper under any free trade agreement worthy of the name.

That's just absurd. maybee you should stop buying Dell till they sort their shit out, they're just price gauging for the sake of price gauging with that

Probably not, as mentioned above the US equivalent to Panadol is already more expensive... but there's fuckload of other drugs for the increase. And this isn't a free trade agreement worthy of the name

[Ocean1]

That's just absurd. maybee you should stop buying Dell till they sort their shit out, they're just price gauging for the sake of price gauging with that

Probably not, as mentioned above the US equivalent to Panadol is already more expensive... but there's fuckload of other drugs for the increase. And this isn't a free trade agreement worthy of the name

Why don't you go find US prices for some of the other US manufacturers? Or any US based consumer electronics manufacturer? Or just any US producer? They're all the same. Dell just stand out because their sales structure is more transparent. And it'll be a cold day in hell before any of them drop their preferential pricing structures. That, or a comprehensive free trade agreement requires them to.

So you have inside information on the agreement?

[bogan]

yea ok paracetamol was probably a bad choice, tho USA's equivalent to panadol is more expensive so I wouldn't rule out an increase to more likely 1.5-2x not 10x
Import fees? You mean GST, something you'd still have to pay with FTA... there aint no duties on PC parts

Panadol is dirt cheap anyway so does that really matter?

I mean the $60 customs excise, generally plus another 60 odd for shipping, and another 60 for GST. Take the ROG swift for example, 1543NZD here, 1029 nzd in US (780usd), plus gst to get $1183 total. Saving $360.

[Scuba_Steve]

So you have inside information on the agreement?

Sort of, it's accessible to anyone; Wikileaks keeps posting it to the public & sometimes even the mainstream propaganda machine will run snippets.

Also Apple's known for "price gauging right?"
Here's the US machine
http://store.apple.com/us/buy-mac/ma.../A&step=config
Here's the NZ machine
http://store.apple.com/nz/buy-mac/ma.../A&step=config
After you take into account currency conversion & GST there's 106.64 NZD in it (at current time, exchange rate obviously fluctuates)... Dell's taking the piss

[Ocean1]

Sort of, it's accessible to anyone; Wikileaks keeps posting it to the public & sometimes even the mainstream propaganda machine will run snippets.

Also Apple's known for "price gauging right?"
Here's the US machine
http://store.apple.com/us/buy-mac/ma.../A&step=config
Here's the NZ machine
http://store.apple.com/nz/buy-mac/ma.../A&step=config
After you take into account currency conversion & GST there's 106.64 NZD in it (at current time, exchange rate obviously fluctuates)... Dell's taking the piss

Wikileaks doesn't have an agenda?

And while apple may have a reputation for price gouging they're obviously a semi-equal-opportunity price gouger. Which makes them fairly rare, price comparisons overwhelmingly favour US markets, even for non-US product. Even for some exported NZ product ffs.

I get sick of subsidising fucking Americans, and free trade agreements are the standard tool to fix the problem. I'd prefer they had provision for individuals to pursue corporations for price gouging offences, but any freeing up of trade barriers is mostly a good move.

[Scuba_Steve]

Wikileaks doesn't have an agenda?

And while apple may have a reputation for price gouging they're obviously a semi-equal-opportunity price gouger. Which makes them fairly rare, price comparisons overwhelmingly favour US markets, even for non-US product. Even for some exported NZ product ffs.

I get sick of subsidising fucking Americans, and free trade agreements are the standard tool to fix the problem. I'd prefer they had provision for individuals to pursue corporations for price gouging offences, but any freeing up of trade barriers is mostly a good move.

Yea to expose the corruption.

I don't get how exactly you expect the FTA to help anyways given the products you mention already have free trade, there are no duties on computers & computer parts, FTA doesn't stop price gouging.
Also the FTA is drafted by the Americans so don't go expecting your subsidisation of them to stop, their not writing it to advantage other countries.
Maybee you should stop listening to Key & go read some of this TPPA for yourself, wikileaks has the sections published verbatim so you can read just what is planned it's sorta the total opposite of what Key says it is

[Ocean1]

Yea to expose the corruption.

I don't get how exactly you expect the FTA to help anyways given the products you mention already have free trade, there are no duties on computers & computer parts, FTA doesn't stop price gouging.
Also the FTA is drafted by the Americans so don't go expecting your subsidisation of them to stop, their not writing it to advantage other countries.
Maybee you should stop listening to Key & go read some of this TPPA for yourself, wikileaks has the sections published verbatim so you can read just what is planned it's sorta the total opposite of what Key says it is

In which case they're hardly likely to publish anything else, are they?

And I don't expect it to help much, I just get sick and tired of all the wailing from the left about the evels of free trade. It sorta highlights the desperate need to legislate against anyone engaged in anything they don't have a finger in. Hypocrites.