Hi viz

[Ulsterkiwi]

is the "harm" i do travellling at 140km/h equivalent to $120 to "society"
(but actually, to the consolidated fund for a new fleet of 7 series BMWs and shit. while most niggaz have to get they ass on a fuckin bus if they can't afford a car.)
i submit that it is not!

ok, you do no harm travelling at that speed. However you say you will accept responsibility for any harm you may cause. Who therefore can say if harm will happen or not? If you accept responsibility ahead of anything happening, you accept the possibility harm can happen. You saying you do no harm is therefore unreliable and effectively meaningless.

I agree an arbitrary limit enforced by threat of monetary loss is not the smartest way to do things. When you explain it like that, it makes no sense. I am really keen to hear what you reckon should be the case? If I were to in the course of minding my own business seriously harm someone, kill them even, what should happen to me? Is there ANY way we can convince people not to engage in behaviours that affect others?

[Akzle]

Is there ANY way we can convince people not to engage in behaviours that affect others?

yes.
A box of hand grenades in my passenger seat.
And i have a theory about wrecking balls at intersections.

Living by 'what if' is equally meaningless.
How can you do harm, minding your own business.
Takes a bit to accidentally kill things...

[Scuba_Steve]

And i have a theory about wrecking balls at intersections.

I like where this is going, go on...
I presume you mean "hi vis" ones too, you know for safety & shit

[R650R]

So, I guess devonport wharf wasn't wearing its Hi Viz.
Those cops who detained me (only bikes, no cars) for 7 minutes on Sunday for a lecture (shake down, license check, wof, tyre rego, breath test) should have been down at devonport making sure the wharf was clearly not pissing off Ferries......... Aye?
Yes, I felt targeted/victimised.
Not good for police/biker relations
Rant over

Jesus some truckers put up with that on a weekly/monthly basis or daily if your working for real rogues. The CVIU has that many checkpoints they actually put orange stickers on windscreens now so the next cops don't waste time checking someones rig that's already been recently checked.
Bikers have it easy.

[Banditbandit]

bold claim. not one that can be proved either way.

No, I'm sorry - but God does not exist. It is up to people who postulate the existence of such a being to show the evidence that that actually does exist.

(the absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence)

mainly true - but you need to be clear that it also applies to anything that you can postulate exists - such as the Chocolate Blanc Mange that Ate New York ...

I can postulate its existence, but I can supply no evidence for its existence .. but with your statement, there is an absence of evidence for its existence ... but this is not evidence of its absence ... So the Chocolate Blanc Mange may, or may not, exist ..

(Just in case - The Chocolate Blanc Mange that Ate New York does not exist ...)

again. that's lawyer-jewing words, which i'm all in favor of.

If you can not see the difference in the concepts, and just write it of as lawyer-jew words then I can't be bothered ... because you are basing your political philosophy/actions on a fiction .. that's not my problem ... that's yours ... the inconsistency in your approach allows people with power/system to impact on your lifeworld, even if you can't recognise that ...