David Bain

[nodrog:Me]

They will have to change the law first if they wish to pay him compensation.

[nodrog:Me]

.... If called during their employment I shall rock up on the first day of picking suitable members of the jury and proudly display my new 'GUILTY' T-shirt.

.....

you can just borrow my "Calm down, lets not turn this rape into a murder" T-shirt.

[Swoop]

Bain was judged not guilty beyond all reasonable doubt and set free - that does not mean he is innocent - simply not proved guilty!

The Privy Council stated the verdict of "Not Proven", meaning that if the evidence presented to them were to have been presented to the original jury the prosecution's case would have resulted in guilt being "not proven".

Pay the man what he is due for years of incarceration and legal wrangling.
Fuck sakes, the money spent on review, then re-review, and counter review because the lunatic injustice minister was on the rag that day, independent overseas review, new-minister's review with new consultants would have paid the man handsomely already!

[sugilite:Me]

A fair call Kman

Check your employment agreement. Are you covered?
?

I have met Katmans boss, he is a tight prick, so he won't be covered at all

[mr bucketracer]

just quickly here, can we get your opinion on 9/11?


also. with so much apparent "evidence" - why did the police feel the need to plant more?

i have i few films on the 9/11 , dont realy want to get into it , as for david to much stuff points at him . a father with 2-3 blood drips on him( his own) with clean clothes and shoes no finger prints on the gun lucky to reach the trigger of the gun ( father doing it ,just dont cut it for me )

[Akzle]

Pay the man what he is due for years of incarceration and legal wrangling.
Fuck sakes, the money spent on review, then re-review, and counter review because the lunatic injustice minister was on the rag that day, independent overseas review, new-minister's review with new consultants would have paid the man handsomely already!

yes but you're missing the point.
1) all those people are crown agents, taking money off the public to pay them is SOP, if it's for something fucking ridiculous and in amounts disproportionate, so much the better.

2) the "justice" system wants to be advertised as infallible and unflappable and "not bowing to populist opinion" or some shit.
to admit they were wrong, on such a public case, might raise some questions in the minds of even the fluoridated, about the corruption of the police, nay, the entire crown horseshittery.

but probably not. because MOOOOOOOOO fuckers.

[F5 Dave]

i have i few films on the 9/11 , dont realy want to get into it , as for david to much stuff points at him . a father with 2-3 blood drips on him( his own) with clean clothes and shoes no finger prints on the gun lucky to reach the trigger of the gun ( father doing it ,just dont cut it for me )

That a teenage boy would do some washing, that gets it for me.

Anyway shouldn't you be trying to protect 'Kerry's' innocence now he's living incognito within your clan?

[HenryDorsetCase]

The Privy Council stated the verdict of "Not Proven", meaning that if the evidence presented to them were to have been presented to the original jury the prosecution's case would have resulted in guilt being "not proven".

Pay the man what he is due for years of incarceration and legal wrangling.
Fuck sakes, the money spent on review, then re-review, and counter review because the lunatic injustice minister was on the rag that day, independent overseas review, new-minister's review with new consultants would have paid the man handsomely already!

I am fairly sure that the "Not Proven" verdict is only available in Scotland and would thus only be available to a Scots Privy Council case.

Both of the Bain PC decisions are online:

http://www.bailii.org/uk/cases/UKPC/2007/33.html

http://www.bailii.org/uk/cases/UKPC/2009/4.html


Is there a later one? Or are we talking about the Binnie review. $400k. and dont forget the Fisher review ($250k-ish I think). Now Amy Adams is saying "Yeah well we need another review".

I dunno man, I kind of think he did it, but that he has now convinced himself (and Joe Karam) that he didnt but that is gut feel not having followed the case at all....

Sure its a costly process and it seems very clear that the current Nazional government either will not pay, or will pay in the dying weeks of their administration (or agree to pay two weeks before they get thrown out of office leaving Liarbour to cut the actual cheque......). Sure it will cost (Arthur Thomas got a million bucks in 1983 money, right?). Bain should be getting $3M or so you would think.....

It would stick in my craw to pay it if he did it, but the issue is that the legal process has not proved that he did.

That fuckin' jury, man.......

[HenryDorsetCase]

yes but you're missing the point.
1) all those people are crown agents, taking money off the public to pay them is SOP, if it's for something fucking ridiculous and in amounts disproportionate, so much the better.

2) the "justice" system wants to be advertised as infallible and unflappable and "not bowing to populist opinion" or some shit.
to admit they were wrong, on such a public case, might raise some questions in the minds of even the fluoridated, about the corruption of the police, nay, the entire crown horseshittery.

but probably not. because MOOOOOOOOO fuckers.

the best example of that ever was the winebox inquiry. Pretty much every QC in the country at the time, months on end, plus everyone else invovled. Ka ching.

[Hitcher]

Forget the ins and outs of the original criminal case. Everybody has an opinion about the evidence regarding this high-profile prosecution but it's not relevant to the decision that now needs to be made.

Let's look at the facts.

David Bain has had his conviction quashed by the courts. He is a free man. He has already been tried so cannot be retried unless there is new evidence -- that old double jeopardy business. The Police seem completely disinterested in taking further action against Mr Bain.

The courts say that David Bain was wrongly convicted. Irrespective of whether or not he is innocent (another matter entirely and one that isn't on the table) he is, or should be, entitled to compensation from the crown as the party responsible for his wrongful conviction, loss of earnings, reputation damage, denial of life's pleasures, etc.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Forget the ins and outs of the original criminal case. Everybody has an opinion about the evidence regarding this high-profile prosecution but it's not relevant to the decision that now needs to be made.

Let's look at the facts.

David Bain has had his conviction quashed by the courts. He is a free man. He has already been tried so cannot be retried unless there is new evidence -- that old double jeopardy business. The Police seem completely disinterested in taking further action against Mr Bain.

The courts say that David Bain was wrongly convicted. Irrespective of whether or not he is innocent (another matter entirely and one that isn't on the table) he is, or should be, entitled to compensation from the crown as the party responsible for his wrongful conviction, loss of earnings, reputation damage, denial of life's pleasures, etc.

Nicely summarised:

OK, given that: How much?

What does the KB massif think that might be worth?

He has somewhat caught up on lifes pleasures lately, what, with all the marrying and New Idea-ing, and impregnating of wifey and suchlike.

I reckon $1M.

nice round figure, buys him a nice house, lets him get on with life. In say, Melbourne.

[Robbo]

Nicely summarised:

OK, given that: How much?

What does the KB massif think that might be worth?

He has somewhat caught up on lifes pleasures lately, what, with all the marrying and New Idea-ing, and impregnating of wifey and suchlike.

I reckon $1M.

nice round figure, buys him a nice house, lets him get on with life. In say, Melbourne.

I suggest $5 and a bag of chips. I'm sure that Akzle QC would agree.

[rustyrobot]

How much?

What does the KB massif think that might be worth?

Aaron Farmer got $350,000 for 2 years imprisonment, and Bain was locked up for 13. I suspect that you might be right on the $1m mark, I imagine that any more than that would be distasteful for the average voter.

Personally though, I wouldn't do a 13 year stretch for a million dollars.

Interestingly the M.O.J. website says "there is no legal right to compensation for wrongful conviction and imprisonment. "

What is 13 years' worth of salary for a paper delivery boy?

[Murray]

But how much does he have to give Joe Karam????

[mr bucketracer]

Forget the ins and outs of the original criminal case. Everybody has an opinion about the evidence regarding this high-profile prosecution but it's not relevant to the decision that now needs to be made.

Let's look at the facts.

David Bain has had his conviction quashed by the courts. He is a free man. He has already been tried so cannot be retried unless there is new evidence -- that old double jeopardy business. The Police seem completely disinterested in taking further action against Mr Bain.

The courts say that David Bain was wrongly convicted. Irrespective of whether or not he is innocent (another matter entirely and one that isn't on the table) he is, or should be, entitled to compensation from the crown as the party responsible for his wrongful conviction, loss of earnings, reputation damage, denial of life's pleasures, etc.

the second case was all about his father , taking a dead man to court . what a joke