MNZ President votes

[GD66]

Why cant you have both? President and Vice President.
If they are both good guys they should be able to work together as a team, put the sport first, two heads better than one and all that

Very good.

[scott411]

Why cant you have both? President and Vice President.
If they are both good guys they should be able to work together as a team, put the sport first, two heads better than one and all that

because by the constitution the vice present is not elected, its picked by the board, you can't jsut change the consitution because you think you have 2 good members going for the top job

the positions up for election this year are,
President
Off Road North Island
Road South Island


now Glen Williams is only the acting president at the moment, (taking over from Jim, as he stood down to take teh OCeania FIM Position) Glen and is actually the North Island Road Rep,

Paul was the previous North Island Road Rep, and was defeated by Glen last year, I would presume that if Glen wins, his North Island Road Rep would come up for election,

[Drew]

because by the constitution the vice present is not elected, its picked by the board, you can't jsut change the consitution because you think you have 2 good members going for the top job

the positions up for election this year are,
President
Off Road North Island
Road South Island


now Glen Williams is only the acting president at the moment, (taking over from Jim, as he stood down to take teh OCeania FIM Position) Glen and is actually the North Island Road Rep,

Paul was the previous North Island Road Rep, and was defeated by Paul last year, I would presume that if Glen wins, his North Island Road Rep would come up for election,

Soooo, you failed school cert English?

[scott411]

Soooo, you failed school cert English?

got 51% actually, and even I was surprised by that.

[quickbuck]

got 51% actually, and even I was surprised by that.

Sorry Scotty, but that would explain why just over half your post makes any sense...

[budda]

because by the constitution the vice present is not elected, its picked by the board, you can't jsut change the consitution because you think you have 2 good members going for the top job

the positions up for election this year are,
President
Off Road North Island
Road South Island


now Glen Williams is only the acting president at the moment, (taking over from Jim, as he stood down to take teh OCeania FIM Position) Glen and is actually the North Island Road Rep,

Paul was the previous North Island Road Rep, and was defeated by Glen last year, I would presume that if Glen wins, his North Island Road Rep would come up for election,

You sure Scotty - seem to remember Paul withdrew and this allowed Glen to take the position unopposed. The jury is out on whether he can actually BE the acting President AND carry out his responsibilities as N I On-Road Board member too .... watching with interest, as is the entire Distributor network ....... ONE of the two candidates has their support

[Drew]

You sure Scotty - seem to remember Paul withdrew and this allowed Glen to take the position unopposed. The jury is out on whether he can actually BE the acting President AND carry out his responsibilities as N I On-Road Board member too .... watching with interest, as is the entire Distributor network ....... ONE of the two candidates has their support

Not familiar with the charter, but usually an 'acting president' can be appointed from nearly any board position, and different 'conflict' ruled apply due to their elected/assigned position being established already. They can't make executive decisions in the area of their position is all.

[Shaun Harris]

If I could vote, it would be for Glen Williams ( A person who did the write thing and stood down from making any decision re my license due to conflicts of interest, as did Kevin Goddard) Glen is from the modern world and does every thing by the book as it should be done. Yes, this can cause hassles for some who want an awnser NOW, but that is not how the system works.

[sidecar bob]

If I could vote, it would be for Glen Williams ( A person who did the write thing and stood down from making any decision re my license due to conflicts of interest, as did Kevin Goddard) Glen is from the modern world and does every thing by the book as it should be done. Yes, this can cause hassles for some who want an awnser NOW, but that is not how the system works.

Good on him, but it doesn't take away from the fact that you cheated by your own admission & the correct course of action was taken.
Kind of ironic that you were a huge campaigner for the guy that subsequently shafted you though.

[Shaun Harris]

Good on him, but it doesn't take away from the fact that you cheated by your own admission & the correct course of action was taken.
Kind of ironic that you were a huge campaigner for the guy that subsequently shafted you though.

Dude, I admitted to it myself! And yes a correct course of action has been taken, and I hope that my admission makes it easier for others who are getting beaten by other people who are and have cheated!! Ironic yes, as he once was a genuine man whom I had faith in, and nothing to do with my cheating admission either Bob.

[scott411]

You sure Scotty - seem to remember Paul withdrew and this allowed Glen to take the position unopposed. The jury is out on whether he can actually BE the acting President AND carry out his responsibilities as N I On-Road Board member too .... watching with interest, as is the entire Distributor network ....... ONE of the two candidates has their support

you could be right, i know he was the position before Glen,

also, Jim had the backing of at least some of the distributors as well,

if the distributors are members of MNZ, they get to vote as well,

[budda]

you could be right, i know he was the position before Glen,

also, Jim had the backing of at least some of the distributors as well,

if the distributors are members of MNZ, they get to vote as well,

without getting all political, all members who are entitled to vote, SHOULD vote ...... too many snipe away after the fact, but dont vote - no vote, no valid opinion, I say

[steveyb]

Choosing not to vote is a valid democratic choice (in this case it would in all likelihood mean one would be happy with either candidate and therefore voting would ideologically violate that stance. In this case it is likely that both candidates will do a bang up job, differently).
Not voting due to apathy is the antithesis of a free society and leads in the long (or not so long run) to tyranny and autocracy. It does not lead to anarchy (as some would have you believe) as anarchy is simply a political vacuum and politics (ie the system of interactions between humans) abhors such things.
That is all.

[malcy25]

Choosing not to vote is a valid democratic choice (in this case it would in all likelihood mean one would be happy with either candidate and therefore voting would ideologically violate that stance. In this case it is likely that both candidates will do a bang up job, differently)..

Though arguably not voting could also lead people to believe that neither was suitable and that the "winner" has marginal support from the members.

I'd rather that we have a strong close vote, than a weak close vote. The winner will win, but will have a far clearer support base.

[budda]

Choosing not to vote is a valid democratic choice (in this case it would in all likelihood mean one would be happy with either candidate and therefore voting would ideologically violate that stance. In this case it is likely that both candidates will do a bang up job, differently).
Not voting due to apathy is the antithesis of a free society and leads in the long (or not so long run) to tyranny and autocracy. It does not lead to anarchy (as some would have you believe) as anarchy is simply a political vacuum and politics (ie the system of interactions between humans) abhors such things.
That is all.

Dont disagree with what I THINK you said Steve ( theres a large body of MNZ members you lost when you 'idealogically violated' them ) I have no issue with people who choose not to vote .... what I DO have an issue with is those who dont vote 'cos they simply cant be arsed, and then have very strong post-election opinions that get voiced vociferously on here, Arsebook etc etc

Malcy's last sentence says it very succinctly .........