Cancer and the drug companies

[R650R]

Its another classic case of what came first the chicken or the egg... I know plenty of people who are pro traditional medical practices (what you call alternative was the accepted option for thousands of years before 'modern' allopathic surgery and drugs came along) but not into conspiracy. The thing is once people realise they've been lied to by the medical 'profession' its a short hop to seeing what else is a con job.

When my Father was ill with cancer I spent a considerable time researching all options. This included googling the drug names administered and case studies etc... I let him make his own choices about what he wanted to do but I would not go down the drug company 'treatment' path myself. I equate it to treating a sore throat by drinking bleach, sure it will kill the bugs but it also kills you!!! Most people accept there are a lot of natural things like garlic, onion, honey and vitamin C etc that will naturally fight off throat infections and this is not considered hocus pocus. So why not accept that certain things that were traditionally part of our diets might be able to treat cancers in conjunction with other factors???

The problem is any alternative treatments need to be explored before the body is nuked by chemo and radiation. Did you know most of the 'chemo' treatments are carcinogenic themselves and need to be administered with a tumour inhibiting drug. They are so dangerous that nurses in USA are only allowed to handle them 17 times such is the risk of exposure.

BTW this is something people need to think about before the time comes, what would you do. The doctors seem to like to rush people into the treatment as if every passing hour matters. You will feel desperate, scared and wont have time to do the research on google or library etc. Do you want to die in a hospital wired up to tubes or out in real world with your family and still seeing the scenery etc...

[Katman]

Tell us about the power of prayer Ed.

[jasonu]

What concerns me is the fact that IF a cure is ever found, the planet is fucked.
Even more humans infesting the face of this celestial body and screwing it up.
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If the curry munchers and chingies stopped or at least reduced breeding that would easily offset the amount of cancer survivors.

[James Deuce]

Its another classic case of what came first the chicken or the egg... I know plenty of people who are pro traditional medical practices (what you call alternative was the accepted option for thousands of years before 'modern' allopathic surgery and drugs came along) but not into conspiracy. The thing is once people realise they've been lied to by the medical 'profession' its a short hop to seeing what else is a con job.

When my Father was ill with cancer I spent a considerable time researching all options. This included googling the drug names administered and case studies etc... I let him make his own choices about what he wanted to do but I would not go down the drug company 'treatment' path myself. I equate it to treating a sore throat by drinking bleach, sure it will kill the bugs but it also kills you!!! Most people accept there are a lot of natural things like garlic, onion, honey and vitamin C etc that will naturally fight off throat infections and this is not considered hocus pocus. So why not accept that certain things that were traditionally part of our diets might be able to treat cancers in conjunction with other factors???

The problem is any alternative treatments need to be explored before the body is nuked by chemo and radiation. Did you know most of the 'chemo' treatments are carcinogenic themselves and need to be administered with a tumour inhibiting drug. They are so dangerous that nurses in USA are only allowed to handle them 17 times such is the risk of exposure.

BTW this is something people need to think about before the time comes, what would you do. The doctors seem to like to rush people into the treatment as if every passing hour matters. You will feel desperate, scared and wont have time to do the research on google or library etc. Do you want to die in a hospital wired up to tubes or out in real world with your family and still seeing the scenery etc...

There is not one repeatable study that agrees with any of the assertions you made.

There is no "big pharma" conspiracy.

The difficult pill that no one wants to swallow is that cancer is not simple to treat and requires a couple of baseline treatments that are very aggressive and dangerous for the patient. No one is looking for a single pill to treat cancer. The main body of research is focused on the most common types of cancer.

Anyone who uses "natural" or "alternative" treatments for cancer deserves sympathy. Nothing more, nothing less. Because they don't work.

The constant roar of anti-scientific bullshit from people who should know better is getting deafening.

For instance ancient Chinese "medicine" is nothing more than a sop to the peasant class to make them believe that their ruling elite give a shit. It doesn't work. But it stops them rebelling. Job done. Chiropractors aren't "Doctors". Naturopaths are not primary care physicians. They're charlatans. Homeopathy is water. Drink some and then bill yourself for the memory of all the poo and wee and dead animal bits that have been in it.

No one has ever reliably repeated a control test using high dose Vitamin C to treat cancer, but a bunch of unpricipled, obviously nearly scientifically illiterate fuckwits are quite happy to lean on the "Appeal to Anecdote" logical fallacy to back it up. Garlic does nothing for the common cold. Rhinovirii are not vampires. There is nothing that can treat the "common" cold once you've got it. Don't waste the doctor's time with it either.

You know the good thing about science? It changes its mind in the face of evidence. Yes, there are a few scientists who go mental and stick to their assertions in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary. If there weren't, the only thing that would prove is that scientists aren't human. I have NO idea why a majority consensus view of a scientific principle isn't good enough for a big chunk of what should be an educated population. A dissenting voice in science is most often not an underdog. Most often, it's a crank with a funding stream. Like anyone involved in the supplement industry. That shit does nothing. Because science. But idiots keep buying it because placebo effect.

Bah. Go swim in the dirty end of the pool.

[mashman]

There is nothing that can treat the "common" cold once you've got it.

You mean you can't just tell the cold to fuck off when you start feeling shit? Coz I've done it 3 times so far and each time the cold has indeed fucked right off, even when living and working in deepest darkest snot central.

[Katman]

There is not one repeatable study that agrees with any of the assertions you made.

There is no "big pharma" conspiracy.

The difficult pill that no one wants to swallow is that cancer is not simple to treat and requires a couple of baseline treatments that are very aggressive and dangerous for the patient. No one is looking for a single pill to treat cancer. The main body of research is focused on the most common types of cancer.

Anyone who uses "natural" or "alternative" treatments for cancer deserves sympathy. Nothing more, nothing less. Because they don't work.

The constant roar of anti-scientific bullshit from people who should know better is getting deafening.

For instance ancient Chinese "medicine" is nothing more than a sop to the peasant class to make them believe that their ruling elite give a shit. It doesn't work. But it stops them rebelling. Job done. Chiropractors aren't "Doctors". Naturopaths are not primary care physicians. They're charlatans. Homeopathy is water. Drink some and then bill yourself for the memory of all the poo and wee and dead animal bits that have been in it.

No one has ever reliably repeated a control test using high dose Vitamin C to treat cancer, but a bunch of unpricipled, obviously nearly scientifically illiterate fuckwits are quite happy to lean on the "Appeal to Anecdote" logical fallacy to back it up. Garlic does nothing for the common cold. Rhinovirii are not vampires. There is nothing that can treat the "common" cold once you've got it. Don't waste the doctor's time with it either.

You know the good thing about science? It changes its mind in the face of evidence. Yes, there are a few scientists who go mental and stick to their assertions in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary. If there weren't, the only thing that would prove is that scientists aren't human. I have NO idea why a majority consensus view of a scientific principle isn't good enough for a big chunk of what should be an educated population. A dissenting voice in science is most often not an underdog. Most often, it's a crank with a funding stream. Like anyone involved in the supplement industry. That shit does nothing. Because science. But idiots keep buying it because placebo effect.

Bah. Go swim in the dirty end of the pool.

You know what Jim, sometimes bitter and twisted people bring on the misfortune that befalls them.

[Banditbandit]

Its another classic case of what came first the chicken or the egg... I know plenty of people who are pro traditional medical practices (what you call alternative was the accepted option for thousands of years before 'modern' allopathic surgery and drugs came along) but not into conspiracy. The thing is once people realise they've been lied to by the medical 'profession' its a short hop to seeing what else is a con job.

When my Father was ill with cancer I spent a considerable time researching all options. This included googling the drug names administered and case studies etc... I let him make his own choices about what he wanted to do but I would not go down the drug company 'treatment' path myself. I equate it to treating a sore throat by drinking bleach, sure it will kill the bugs but it also kills you!!!

Yeah .. but cancer is not bugs .. and cancer will kill you. It's as sure as eggs is eggs cancer will kill you ...

Most people accept there are a lot of natural things like garlic, onion, honey and vitamin C etc that will naturally fight off throat infections and this is not considered hocus pocus. So why not accept that certain things that were traditionally part of our diets might be able to treat cancers in conjunction with other factors???

Yes - in conjunction with what "other factors"?

The problem is any alternative treatments need to be explored before the body is nuked by chemo and radiation. Did you know most of the 'chemo' treatments are carcinogenic themselves and need to be administered with a tumour inhibiting drug. They are so dangerous that nurses in USA are only allowed to handle them 17 times such is the risk of exposure.

Yes - bombarding the body with radiation/chemotherapy is playing with substances that can kill you. Cancer WILL kill you - Many people with cancer have got rid of it through radiation/chemo and other contemporary medical practices ... If they had not had treatment they would have died .. some people who have undergone the treatment have died - it has not worked ...

Cancer WILL kill you - chemo/radiation treatments May help you .. make your own choice ...

BTW this is something people need to think about before the time comes, what would you do. The doctors seem to like to rush people into the treatment as if every passing hour matters. You will feel desperate, scared and wont have time to do the research on google or library etc. Do you want to die in a hospital wired up to tubes or out in real world with your family and still seeing the scenery etc...

So - your choice is not to live or to die, but to either die in hospital or die at home ... so much for the choices of alternative medicine ..

[mashman]

so much for the choices of alternative medicine ..

Ah, ah, ah, HIFU

"Doctors have been interested in this type of treatment for nearly 50 years. But it is only in recent years that they have been seriously investigating its use in treating different types of cancer. One advantage of this type of treatment is that because it only uses sound waves to kill the cancer cells, it doesn’t have as many side effects as other types of cancer treatments already in use.".

Wonder what else modern medicine has dimissed for us.

[Maha]

You know what Jim, sometimes bitter and twisted people bring on the misfortune that befalls them.

Ever thought of a change career and writing for a card company?

[Banditbandit]

Do not misunderstand my response to R650R - in general I support alternatives to the over-drugged, over-surgical contemporary medical word - it's a black art when you look into it ...

I'm definitely in favour of alternatives. Our people had, and still have, plenty of alternatives ...

It's just that R650R does not have a good argument .. it's too full of holes .. and the only alternatives he offered for cancer treatment are die at home or die in hospital ..

[Swoop]

"Doctors have been interested in this type of treatment for nearly 50 years.

"Doctors" forget that their profession trade emerged from naturopathy. As do many ingredients they prescribe...

[mashman]

Do not misunderstand my response to R650R - in general I support alternatives to the over-drugged, over-surgical contemporary medical word - it's a black art when you look into it ...

I'm definitely in favour of alternatives. Our people had, and still have, plenty of alternatives ...

It's just that R650R does not have a good argument .. it's too full of holes .. and the only alternatives he offered for cancer treatment are die at home or die in hospital ..

Furry muff. That's the downside as R650R mentioned, it's not a great leap to disenfranchise people from mainstream treatments given the perceived holes (horrendous treatment potentially resulting in death)... and bagging other branches of medicine really does them no favours in regards to the confidence stakes, especially when that branch rears its head half a century later.

"Doctors" forget that their profession trade emerged from naturopathy. As do many ingredients they prescribe...

Aye, a trade led by business.

[sugilite:Me]

The Human Condition: Money: (preferably lots of it) + An agenda + Influence = Corruption.
You read it here first
Anyone who thinks the Pharmaceutical business, Energy business, (insert any large multinational business/industry here) are above board and truly have the general populations interests at heart are delusional in the extreme.

[James Deuce]

The Human Condition: Money: (preferably lots of it) + An agenda + Influence = Corruption.
You read it here first
Anyone who thinks the Pharmaceutical business, Energy business, (insert any large multinational business/industry here) are above board and truly have the general populations interests at heart are delusional in the extreme.

I don't think they're above board, I think they're focused on making a buck. I just don't accept the widespread inter-linking conspiracy theories "people" keep presenting. The NZ Government can't even organise themselves to feed under-privileged children. I don't think corporations and overseas Governments are any better at "big picture" stuff.

[Katman]

Anyone who thinks the Pharmaceutical business, Energy business, (insert any large multinational business/industry here) are above board and truly have the general populations interests at heart are delusional in the extreme.

Sort of sums Ed up really.