Cancer and the drug companies

[nzspokes]

Sure is, he just recently walked the length of the north island in his Walk for Hope charity event. It was on telly a lot in feb. Took him a month

Cool. We dont have telly so didnt see it. Thats a fair old walk.

[Edbear]

http://m.hopkinsmedicine.org/kimmel_...is_a_hoax.html

Please read this article, it's the truth about cancer. Judge claims against it.

[Edbear]

It is not my problem that you have done no research, esp of local people in NZ.
Again, I am disappoint.

Spoken by someone who has no idea who or what or where I have studied. And as usual, by someone not the slightest bit interested in finding anything out for himself.

[Katman]

Spoken by someone who has no idea who or what or where I have studied. And as usual, by someone not the slightest bit interested in finding anything out for himself.

Are you whacked out on your drugs again?

[bogan]

Spoken by someone who has no idea who or what or where I have studied. And as usual, by someone not the slightest bit interested in finding anything out for himself.

Still waiting on you to address my journal article... Or is that too far 'below' your usual anecdotes and press releases?

Face it Ed, everyone knows that you haven't studied fuck all, because it shows in bollox you spout as science.

[Kickaha]

He is a local cop here in Whangarei who was sent home to die with leukaemia. He was given ten days. He went on the intravenous vitamin C and now has an almost completely clear result.

He made major changes to his diet not just vitamin C

http://www.quackwatch.com/01Quackery...s/pauling.html
Vitamin C and Cancer

In 1976, Pauling and Dr. Ewan Cameron, a Scottish physician, reported that a majority of one hundred "terminal" cancer patients treated with 10,000 mg of vitamin C daily survived three to four times longer than similar patients who did not receive vitamin C supplements [11,12]. However, Dr. William DeWys, chief of clinical investigations at the National Cancer Institute, found that the study was poorly designed because the patient groups were not comparable [13]. The vitamin C patients were Cameron's, while the other patients were under the care of other physicians. Cameron's patients were started on vitamin C when he labeled them "untreatable" by other methods, and their subsequent survival was compared to the survival of the "control" patients after they were labeled untreatable by their doctors. DeWys reasoned that if the two groups were comparable, the lengths of time from entry into the hospital to being labeled untreatable should be equivalent in both groups. However, he found that Cameron's patients were labeled untreatable much earlier in the course of their disease—which means that they entered the hospital before they were as sick as the other doctors' patients and would naturally be expected to live longer.

Nevertheless, to test whether Pauling might be correct, the Mayo Clinic conducted three double-blind studies involving a total of 367 patients with advanced cancer. The studies, reported in 1979, 1983, and 1985, found that patients given 10,000 mg of vitamin C daily did no better than those given a placebo [14-16]. Pauling criticized the first study, claiming that chemotherapeutic agents might have suppressed the patients' immune systems so that vitamin C couldn't work [17]. But his 1976 report on Cameron's work stated clearly that: "All patients are treated initially in a perfectly conventional way, by operation, use of radiotherapy, and the administration of hormones and cytotoxic substances." And during a subsequent talk at the University of Arizona, he stated that vitamin C therapy could be used along with all conventional modalities [18]. The participants in the 1983 study had not undergone conventional treatment, but Pauling dismissed its results anyway.

Science aside, it is clear that Pauling was politically aligned with the promoters of unscientific nutrition practices. He said his initial interest in vitamin C was aroused by a letter from biochemist Irwin Stone, with whom he subsequently maintained a close working relationship. Although Stone was often referred to as "Dr. Stone," his only credentials were a certificate showing completion of a two-year chemistry program, an honorary chiropractic degree from the Los Angeles College of Chiropractic, and a "Ph.D." from Donsbach University, a nonaccredited correspondence school.

In a little-publicized chapter in Vitamin C and the Common Cold, Pauling attacked the health-food industry for misleading its customers. Pointing out that "synthetic" vitamin C is identical with "natural" vitamin C, he warned that higher-priced "natural" products are a "waste of money." And he added that "the words 'organically grown' are essentially meaningless—just part of the jargon used by health-food promoters in making their excess profits, often from elderly people with low incomes." But Vitamin C, the Common Cold and the Flu, issued six years later, contained none of these criticisms. This omission was not accidental. In response to a letter, Pauling informed me that, after his first book came out, he was "strongly attacked by people who were also attacking the health-food people." His critics were so "biased," he decided, that he would no longer help them attack the health-food industry while another part of their attack was directed at him [19].

The Linus Pauling Institute of Science and Medicine was founded in 1973 and operated under that name until 1995 [20]. The institute was dedicated to "orthomolecular medicine." For many years, its largest corporate donor was Hoffmann-La Roche, the pharmaceutical giant that produces most of the world's vitamin C. Many of the institute's fundraising brochures contained questionable information. During the 1980s, for example, they falsely stated that no significant progress had been made in cancer treatment during the previous twenty years.

[Laava]

Spoken by someone who has no idea who or what or where I have studied. And as usual, by someone not the slightest bit interested in finding anything out for himself.

That's right I don't and I don't care. But you seem a bit uninformed about things yourself and now you are getting all precious about it. Maybe you should stop starting threads with the intention of trying to get people wound up. Mainly cos it backfires on yourself.
Take a fuckin chill pill.

[Laava]

He made major changes to his diet not just vitamin C

http://www.quackwatch.com/01Quackery...s/pauling.html
Vitamin C and Cancer

In 1976, Pauling and Dr. Ewan Cameron, a Scottish physician, reported that a majority of one hundred "terminal" cancer patients treated with 10,000 mg of vitamin C daily survived three to four times longer than similar patients who did not receive vitamin C supplements [11,12]. However, Dr. William DeWys, chief of clinical investigations at the National Cancer Institute, found that the study was poorly designed because the patient groups were not comparable [13]. The vitamin C patients were Cameron's, while the other patients were under the care of other physicians. Cameron's patients were started on vitamin C when he labeled them "untreatable" by other methods, and their subsequent survival was compared to the survival of the "control" patients after they were labeled untreatable by their doctors. DeWys reasoned that if the two groups were comparable, the lengths of time from entry into the hospital to being labeled untreatable should be equivalent in both groups. However, he found that Cameron's patients were labeled untreatable much earlier in the course of their disease—which means that they entered the hospital before they were as sick as the other doctors' patients and would naturally be expected to live longer.

Nevertheless, to test whether Pauling might be correct, the Mayo Clinic conducted three double-blind studies involving a total of 367 patients with advanced cancer. The studies, reported in 1979, 1983, and 1985, found that patients given 10,000 mg of vitamin C daily did no better than those given a placebo [14-16]. Pauling criticized the first study, claiming that chemotherapeutic agents might have suppressed the patients' immune systems so that vitamin C couldn't work [17]. But his 1976 report on Cameron's work stated clearly that: "All patients are treated initially in a perfectly conventional way, by operation, use of radiotherapy, and the administration of hormones and cytotoxic substances." And during a subsequent talk at the University of Arizona, he stated that vitamin C therapy could be used along with all conventional modalities [18]. The participants in the 1983 study had not undergone conventional treatment, but Pauling dismissed its results anyway.

Science aside, it is clear that Pauling was politically aligned with the promoters of unscientific nutrition practices. He said his initial interest in vitamin C was aroused by a letter from biochemist Irwin Stone, with whom he subsequently maintained a close working relationship. Although Stone was often referred to as "Dr. Stone," his only credentials were a certificate showing completion of a two-year chemistry program, an honorary chiropractic degree from the Los Angeles College of Chiropractic, and a "Ph.D." from Donsbach University, a nonaccredited correspondence school.

In a little-publicized chapter in Vitamin C and the Common Cold, Pauling attacked the health-food industry for misleading its customers. Pointing out that "synthetic" vitamin C is identical with "natural" vitamin C, he warned that higher-priced "natural" products are a "waste of money." And he added that "the words 'organically grown' are essentially meaningless—just part of the jargon used by health-food promoters in making their excess profits, often from elderly people with low incomes." But Vitamin C, the Common Cold and the Flu, issued six years later, contained none of these criticisms. This omission was not accidental. In response to a letter, Pauling informed me that, after his first book came out, he was "strongly attacked by people who were also attacking the health-food people." His critics were so "biased," he decided, that he would no longer help them attack the health-food industry while another part of their attack was directed at him [19].

The Linus Pauling Institute of Science and Medicine was founded in 1973 and operated under that name until 1995 [20]. The institute was dedicated to "orthomolecular medicine." For many years, its largest corporate donor was Hoffmann-La Roche, the pharmaceutical giant that produces most of the world's vitamin C. Many of the institute's fundraising brochures contained questionable information. During the 1980s, for example, they falsely stated that no significant progress had been made in cancer treatment during the previous twenty years.

I know there is more to it than just vitamin C, and also that it is ongoing. In his case, he has completely defied medical science.
I am aware that the strike rate for the vitamin C is unknown and does not work miracles for everyone. Just like chemo and radio.

[Banditbandit]

Took him a month

I had a bike like that once - it was a BSA ..

[oldrider]

Everybody has a different opinion or life experience if it doesn't line up with TPTB current requirements should it be automatically silenced or acclaimed to be wrong?

Link: http://drsircus.com/medicine/how-to-...eid=783acdf144

[Edbear]

Well it's very obvious on here just who is spouting off uniformed opinions and who is actually doing some research. Thanks for that Kikaha, if I had posted it I would have been derided by the haters, of course. All they prove is how stupidly prejudiced they are.

I wonder who has actually read the release by Johns Hopkins..? Not the one who insists I post nothing scientific, for sure, he's a genuine nutjob.

[Edbear]

I had a bike like that once - it was a BSA ..

Haha! Mine was the venerable B31.

[BuzzardNZ]

Face it Ed, everyone knows that you haven't studied fuck all, because it shows in bollox you spout as science.

I heard he mastered 6th form accounting, must count for something!

[bogan]

I wonder who has actually read the release by Johns Hopkins..? Not the one who insists I post nothing scientific, for sure, he's a genuine nutjob.

That was a press release about a scam which was using their name to promote bullshit. It is not scientific in itself, like the one I posted which you seem extremely reluctant to address. Is it because they found that IV vit-c warranted further research and mass trials? ie, certainly was not just bollox. Why have you not read that one yet? surely your 'unbiased research' ethics require it of you?

I heard he mastered 6th form accounting, must count for something!

Oh yeh, my mistake, certainly trumps my actual masterate, shirley?

[mashman]