Cancer and the drug companies

**Edbear** · 23rd March 2015, 20:38

More for the conspiracy theorists to chew on.

I was with another alternative therapies advocate over the weekend, and as soon as he started talking I pegged him as a conspiracy theorist. I was right of course as I have yet to find an exponent of alternative medicine who claims the drug companies are squashing cures for cancer, who isn't a conspiracy theorist.

However, what seems so bleeding obvious that these people can't undrstand is that in every claim of a therapy that "definitely cures cancer, and there are hundreds of cases proving it!" Not one requires drug companies to develop it.

All examples, like Black Salve, infusions of Vitamin. C and so on are freely available as evidenced by the sheer number of sufferers trying them!

If these alternative therapies genuinely cured cancer, everyone would be using them and getting cured without needing the conventional therapies like Radiation, surgery and Chemo.

My visitor claimed that only 2% survive beyond 5 years with conventional treatment but the figure was 30% for alternative therapies. Absolute bollox of course.

In short, if there existed a cure for cancer, cancer would be cured. I guarantee you, though, the conspiracy theorists/anti drug exponents will not be able to accept this. Just like any conspiracy theory, they will never change their blind minds.

**sil3nt** · 23rd March 2015, 20:42

Who is going to be first to point it out?

**Laava** · 23rd March 2015, 21:20

Cue Katman, Yokel et all.
What are you expecting here Ed?

**Oakie** · 23rd March 2015, 21:37

Originally Posted by sil3nt

Who is going to be first to point it out?

I pointed it out one night in Oamaru many years ago but I nearly got arrested so now it just leave it tucked away.

**madbikeboy** · 23rd March 2015, 23:13

Originally Posted by Edbear

If these alternative therapies genuinely cured cancer, everyone would be using them and getting cured without needing the conventional therapies like Radiation, surgery and Chemo.

Cancer is pretty complicated. There are lots of different cancers.

There are interesting discoveries each year, there is a school of thought that common antibiotics can help along with chemo (patients who use antibiotics during chemo show some interesting improvements statistically compared with groups who did not use antibiotics for example).

Chemo is an aggressive race between killing the bad cells and killing the host organism (meaning the human). It's unlikely that a drug company would hide the biggest single revenue earning drug in history (conspiracy theory #2.4a). Also, modern medicine has proven statistically more effective that witches and leaches, or alternative therapies… I once dated a narcissistic nano scientist bitch; she was working on a cure for cancer. She's a total cunt, but quite smart. Maybe I should have put up with her shit in case she does cure cancer…?

I personally believe there is a link between cancer and Justin Bilber music. I think we should kill that fucker before he infects anyone else.

**jonbuoy** · 23rd March 2015, 23:21

Originally Posted by Edbear

More for the conspiracy theorists to chew on.

I was with another alternative therapies advocate over the weekend, and as soon as he started talking I pegged him as a conspiracy theorist. I was right of course as I have yet to find an exponent of alternative medicine who claims the drug companies are squashing cures for cancer, who isn't a conspiracy theorist.

However, what seems so bleeding obvious that these people can't undrstand is that in every claim of a therapy that "definitely cures cancer, and there are hundreds of cases proving it!" Not one requires drug companies to develop it.

All examples, like Black Salve, infusions of Vitamin. C and so on are freely available as evidenced by the sheer number of sufferers trying them!

If these alternative therapies genuinely cured cancer, everyone would be using them and getting cured without needing the conventional therapies like Radiation, surgery and Chemo.

My visitor claimed that only 2% survive beyond 5 years with conventional treatment but the figure was 30% for alternative therapies. Absolute bollox of course.

In short, if there existed a cure for cancer, cancer would be cured. I guarantee you, though, the conspiracy theorists/anti drug exponents will not be able to accept this. Just like any conspiracy theory, they will never change their blind minds.

I think Steve Jobs might have had a change of mind - bit late though.

**Akzle** · 24th March 2015, 05:37

fuken jews

**Edbear** · 24th March 2015, 06:48

Originally Posted by madbikeboy

Cancer is pretty complicated. There are lots of different cancers.

There are interesting discoveries each year, there is a school of thought that common antibiotics can help along with chemo (patients who use antibiotics during chemo show some interesting improvements statistically compared with groups who did not use antibiotics for example).

Chemo is an aggressive race between killing the bad cells and killing the host organism (meaning the human). It's unlikely that a drug company would hide the biggest single revenue earning drug in history (conspiracy theory #2.4a). Also, modern medicine has proven statistically more effective that witches and leaches, or alternative therapies… I once dated a narcissistic nano scientist bitch; she was working on a cure for cancer. She's a total cunt, but quite smart. Maybe I should have put up with her shit in case she does cure cancer…?

I personally believe there is a link between cancer and Justin Bilber music. I think we should kill that fucker before he infects anyone else.

Very rare for you and I to agree but you're right of course. Although I am not sure about Justin, he's a bit late in the game...

**Edbear** · 24th March 2015, 06:49

Originally Posted by Laava

Cue Katman, Yokel et all.
What are you expecting here Ed?

Should be interesting...

**bogan** · 24th March 2015, 06:58

Originally Posted by sil3nt

Who is going to be first to point it out?

I think everyone is refraining so as not to add to the ~~trans~~confusion...

**Katman** · 24th March 2015, 07:19

What else would you expect out of the mouth of a prescription drug addict?

**BuzzardNZ** · 24th March 2015, 07:27

Ed, do you now have cancer to add to the lengthy list of your existing ailments?

**Paul in NZ** · 24th March 2015, 07:30

Bloody hell Ed – where to start…

There are some alternative theories / treatments that have been properly researched that do prove effective in some cases. Where it all falls down is the ‘some cases’ which as it usually turns out isn’t your case and is awfully hard to predict…

One thing worth reading is ‘The China Study’ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_China_Study Its more a book about nutrition and the effects of diet on the diseases of affluence. Certainly its well written and well researched although eventually getting to the part where they recommend a vegan diet is a bit much for most of us. All I can say is that going meat free for 3 years did me no harm and my simple cancer was treated with no sign of future trouble. The diet part was easier than you would of thought, especially when its got serious motivation behind it.

Eventually we might cure cancer with drug based medicine. However I think the failure to date has been that big Pharma’s business model works on a single pill to cure a single illness theory. Cancers need to be treated holistically as many believe that they occur due to multiple changes in lifestyle. Poor diets, decreased exercise, more stress etc… Getting people to make basic changes is usually met with resistance…

Lets talk about getting people to make basic changes in say diet rather than taking a pill… Even for cancer… I’m a type 1 diabetic. I used to be involved with diabetes societies at a committee level etc and have had input to various programmes etc. I’ve basically given up as I could no longer trust myself to be polite. It is my observation that the poor statistics are driven by people’s addictions and inability to make obvious changes. Just like it’s obvious an alcoholic should avoid alcohol it’s a bit of a no brainer that if you have developed diabetes and you are 200kg, your really should do something about your diet / lifestyle.

Except some people just can’t. I have visited people on dialysis because their internal organs are overwhelmed by the crap they eat. There they are, plugged into a dialysis machine – and they are eating a bucket of KFC… Because it ‘makes them feel better’ and its OK ‘cos the machine will scrub out the bad stuff… Erm…. Later you talk to them about maybe making some kind of commitment to exercise and you get the old ‘Oh but its easy for you’… (no it bloody isn’t)

Eventually you just give up… Or get pissed off....

So – in short – yes alternative treatments might offer some gains simply because the original illness is oft due to our shitty diets and lack of exercise. However – that means its only motivated people that will try to make changes in sufficient time to make a difference. Most won’t or cant…

**Swoop** · 24th March 2015, 07:40

Originally Posted by Edbear

In short, if there existed a cure for cancer, cancer would be cured.

What concerns me is the fact that IF a cure is ever found, the planet is fucked.
Even more humans infesting the face of this celestial body and screwing it up.

MBB: Take no chances with Miss Bieber. Stab the bastard immediately.

**mashman** · 24th March 2015, 08:10

Originally Posted by Edbear

If these alternative therapies genuinely cured cancer, everyone would be using them and getting cured without needing the conventional therapies like Radiation, surgery and Chemo.

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