Hampton Downs sold

[Mental Trousers]

Farcebook link

https://www.facebook.com/hamptondown...951592399537:0

[Latte]

Doesn't really matter because it isn't going to change.

I think something more interesting could be done with the extension. Just seems to be adding more of the same corners to the circuit.

+1 The best part of the track is sweeping up and out of 2 then cresting around 3, the extension as it stands takes this bit out.

[malcy25]

To create passing you need straights long enough to come to speed and corners sharp enough to have braking opportunity passes, more stop start than sweepers.Attachment 312592

Yes for cars, but that's a myth for motorcyles generally, where the best, tightest racing to be found world wide is on fast flowing sweeping circuits like Phillip Island, Mugello etc as they provide more opportunities and less concertina / rubber band effect which are flow disruptive - especially where you get 2 or 3 bikes and the guy who can get a tiny gap, then gets away and the rest trip over themselves. Taupo and to a lesser extent HD, are in that camp here, but overseas think Laguna Seca.

On my usual race bike HD is 3rd, 2nd, 2nd, 2nd 1st, 1st, 3rd gear for each of the corners. Phillip Island is 4th, 3rd, 5th, 1st, 2nd 4th, 4th, 3rd, 1st, 3rd, 4th and a whole tooth higher on the front, with regular drafting opportunities and shows of real skill rather than "stuff it up the inside and baulk them" type stuff.

Cars generally only pass under brakes and circuits are regularly built to artificially create that only opportunity....however, bikes pass everywhere and fast flowing circuits create multiple lines on entry and sorts the men from the boys. As perverse as it sounds, many circuits would be better with LESS corners (ie less small corners packed into a tight area allowing for a lesser number of real corners).

The poxiest circuits are the ones where artifically slow corners are implemented to 'slow things down" due to other issues. These slow corners are usually where the most painful acidents happen. Technically know at Shitcanes in my vocab. (Chicanes for the uninitiated)

[Reckless]

Yes for cars, but that's a myth for motorcyles generally,

Thanks Malcy for a great well reasoned reply my Karting/Car racing background getting in the way
Makes sense and not afraid to admit my lack of actual racing experience on a bike is showing my ignorance.
Hopefully an old dog can still learn new tricks then aye

[malcy25]

Thanks Malcy for a great well reasoned reply my Karting/Car racing background getting in the way
Makes sense and not afraid to admit my lack of actual racing experience on a bike is showing my ignorance.
Hopefully an old dog can still learn new tricks then aye

Yeah, some interesting differences in dynamics!

[jellywrestler]

+1 The best part of the track is sweeping up and out of 2 then cresting around 3, the extension as it stands takes this bit out.

only if it's used.
several things have to be taken into account re using the extensions.
more marshalls needed
less action per corner as the same number of competitors will be spread out further on the track
possibly an added charge for using the longer track

[jellywrestler]

Technically know at Shitcanes in my vocab.

isn't that a wellington rugby team?

[Grumph]

Yes for cars, but that's a myth for motorcyles generally, where the best, tightest racing to be found world wide is on fast flowing sweeping circuits like Phillip Island, Mugello etc as they provide more opportunities and less concertina / rubber band effect which are flow disruptive - especially where you get 2 or 3 bikes and the guy who can get a tiny gap, then gets away and the rest trip over themselves. Taupo and to a lesser extent HD, are in that camp here, but overseas think Laguna Seca.

On my usual race bike HD is 3rd, 2nd, 2nd, 2nd 1st, 1st, 3rd gear for each of the corners. Phillip Island is 4th, 3rd, 5th, 1st, 2nd 4th, 4th, 3rd, 1st, 3rd, 4th and a whole tooth higher on the front, with regular drafting opportunities and shows of real skill rather than "stuff it up the inside and baulk them" type stuff.

Cars generally only pass under brakes and circuits are regularly built to artificially create that only opportunity....however, bikes pass everywhere and fast flowing circuits create multiple lines on entry and sorts the men from the boys. As perverse as it sounds, many circuits would be better with LESS corners (ie less small corners packed into a tight area allowing for a lesser number of real corners).

The poxiest circuits are the ones where artifically slow corners are implemented to 'slow things down" due to other issues. These slow corners are usually where the most painful acidents happen. Technically know at Shitcanes in my vocab. (Chicanes for the uninitiated)

Did you ever ride Wigram ? Bloody superb circuit for bikes, wide, fast, choice of lines, sit up twice a lap, flat on the tank for the rest. Two artificial corners though. The one year they didn't put the hairpin in at the end of the back straight, more people crashed there than at the usual hairpin. It became a scary fast left at the end of a very long straight. Mike Sinclair broke an ankle when his Greeves seized when he rolled it off the gnat's dick needed to get round...

[Kickaha]

Did you ever ride Wigram ?

Yes

Fucking horrible circuit, flat as all fuck and actually hard to see where the corners where, shit loads of run off though

[Voltaire]

only if it's used.
several things have to be taken into account re using the extensions.
more marshalls needed
less action per corner as the same number of competitors will be spread out further on the track
possibly an added charge for using the longer track

I think Taupo is an extra 2 K for the long track. Have only done that once as the Pom Bombs prefer the short circuit

[Grumph]

Yes

Fucking horrible circuit, flat as all fuck and actually hard to see where the corners where, shit loads of run off though

bike, chair or Kart ? Club day or proper lady Wigram ?

If a club day, yes probably very little reference points put out. When it was done proper for the Lady Wigram meetings it was very good indeed. Chair or kart would be quite hard to see far enough ahead to distinguish the edge of the track at a club day.

Pretty sure the bike record finished up just over 100mph average - with two very slow corners per lap....Stroud had a go at it on a Britten at one of the last ever meetings there after i'd told John that the bike record stood at around 99mph.

[Kickaha]

bike, chair or Kart ? Club day or proper lady Wigram ?.

Bike, Italian car club day and they invited the bikes along

[malcy25]

Did you ever ride Wigram ? Bloody superb circuit for bikes, wide, fast, choice of lines, sit up twice a lap, flat on the tank for the rest. Two artificial corners though. The one year they didn't put the hairpin in at the end of the back straight, more people crashed there than at the usual hairpin. It became a scary fast left at the end of a very long straight. Mike Sinclair broke an ankle when his Greeves seized when he rolled it off the gnat's dick needed to get round...

Grumph, once in '93 on my RS125 in the open Lady Wigram Trophy races with everything bigger than me, up to a couple of Brittens! Lol, on the little 15 which was so low when tucked in, I could't see the sides of the track! I ended up using half the width of the Taxiways so I didn't get lost out there.

[Latte]

only if it's used.
several things have to be taken into account re using the extensions.
more marshalls needed
less action per corner as the same number of competitors will be spread out further on the track
possibly an added charge for using the longer track

Good point!