Winston wins Northland - what now?

[blue rider]

Why are you saying he is a kiddie fiddler? I thought he was being done for assault?

there are few 'crimes for assault' that warrant this kind of name suppression. Especially considering that National changed the law in regards to name suppression around 2010 and actually made it harder to get name suppression. So in order for anyone to get suppression not only of the names of the victims, but also the perpetrator and the court the deed needs to be a bit more than just 'assaulting' someone one.

http://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/g...ion-harder-get

nder the proposals, the court will only be able to make an order prohibiting the publication of a defendant's name, address, occupation, or other details likely to lead to their identification, on the following grounds:



Where there is a real risk of prejudice to a fair trial.
To prevent undue hardship to the victims.
Where publication would identify another person whose name is suppressed by order or by law (e.g. a victim).
Where publication would endanger the safety of any person.
Where publication would cast suspicion on other people that may result in undue hardship.
To prevent extreme hardship to the accused and/or people connected to the accused.
Where publication would be likely to prejudice the interests of the maintenance of law, including the retention, investigation, and detection of offences.

Mr Power said the legislation would make it clear there is no presumption of extreme hardship solely on the grounds that an alleged offender is well known.


"Being famous is not a good enough reason to be granted name suppression.

there is then the 'prominent New Zealander' that had name suppression til end of Feb 2015, wich then was extended till end of March 2015 to be again extended in an emergency hearing until April 20th, 2015 - which is the date of the courtcase.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/ar...ectid=11394223 - Jan 30th
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/ar...ectid=11404727 - Feb 19th
http://www.nbr.co.nz/article/promine...nded-vy-170285 - March 19th
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/ar...ectid=11424208 - March 27th - appeal to lift name suppression granted again.

so there is a prominent new zealander, facing charges for 12 instances of indecent behaviour, who is on name suppression.

But for all we know this got nothing to do with Mike Sabin and his personal issues, this is just the story of a prominent New Zealander who had to indecently to assault someone cause obviosly now one gave it up for free to that prominent New Zealander.

[george formby]

Winston is coming to the end of his career, Willow Jean Prime is at the beginning of her career. She will be good and well looked after come 2017. This is but the beginning for her.

As for the bridges, National literally can not NOT build the bridges....cause they will neve live down the NOT building of the bridges. Fucked either way they are.

LOL. We shall see. The Nats work off a wonky ledger so if they say we can't afford it & flourish some cherry picked statistics their numerate voters will accept the decision. Just like an uber conference centre and greater gambling opportunities. How useful.

Currently the biggest catalyst up here would be an international airport. We have 2 existing runways big enough (cheers US) and some very wealthy corporations and individuals hankering after it. The knock on effect has a very positive impact on most of our regional issues, roading, employment, business, real estate, etc. I would happily see the growth of overseas owned developments up here if it created such a game changer. Less risky than a bunch of oil wells that's forshore. Not that I'm totally against extraction. Just sayin.

[george formby]

I've never considered Sabin to be a prominent New Zealander, not even prominent in Northland, really.

[blue rider]

LOL. We shall see. The Nats work off a wonky ledger so if they say we can't afford it & flourish some cherry picked statistics their numerate voters will accept the decision. Just like an uber conference centre and greater gambling opportunities. How useful.

Currently the biggest catalyst up here would be an international airport. We have 2 existing runways big enough (cheers US) and some very wealthy corporations and individuals hankering after it. The knock on effect has a very positive impact on most of our regional issues, roading, employment, business, real estate, etc. I would happily see the growth of overseas owned developments up here if it created such a game changer. Less risky than a bunch of oil wells that's forshore. Not that I'm totally against extraction. Just sayin.

Not sure about international airports with 24 hour landing rights. But NZ could profit with smaller airports to link the provinces to the larger cities.

I do believe that WJP will have a good future, she is smart, articulate and a Northlander. As for Winston, he is seventy now, ....not matter what when he bites the dust, JWP is still young.

I actually believe that Winston will be good.....I don't think he has a shred of use for the current lot of Nationalistas nor has he any need for them. Winston is no Peter Dunne.

[blue rider]

I've never considered Sabin to be a prominent New Zealander, not even prominent in Northland, really.

National MP
Head of the Law and order Committee - appointed by Dear Leader - cause nothing shows more class than overseing the Police that is handling the investigation into ones wrong doings. (for this alone should dear leader have been pelted with rotten eggs n tomatoes)
as per his Wikipedia

"In 2006, he founded MethCon Group, a company that supplies drug education. He sold the company in October 2010.[1] He also played a role in the establishment of drug courts in New Zealand by inviting American judge Peggy Hora to talk about how drug courts operate in the United States.[5]

In 2008, Sabin received a Sir Peter Blake Emerging Leader Award"

also he is the Father of Brooke Sabin - national mouthpiece on TV.

anyways, define prominent in NZ

[george formby]

I've seen Winston "socially" on more than one occasion, I would not invite him to my BBQ's, but he sure has put the national spotlight on us. Interesting couple of years ahead up here.

Update, just read your prominent post. I was going to say that I thought he was just another MP with his nose in the trough but you beat me to it. The social effect of his endeavours are not apparent around here.

[blue rider]

I've seen Winston "socially" on more than one occasion, I would not invite him to my BBQ's, but he sure has put the national spotlight on us. Interesting couple of years ahead up here.

oh c'mon spill the gossip......

[husaberg]

I've seen Winston "socially" on more than one occasion, I would not invite him to my BBQ's, but he sure has put the national spotlight on us. Interesting couple of years ahead up here.

I wouldn't want to supply the alcohol for him either.......
He has an impressive ability to diminish the supply.

[george formby]

I wouldn't want to supply the alcohol for him either.......
He has an impressive ability to diminish the supply.

Cheers.
Bolshy bugger, too, if he's not the center of attention.

[husaberg]

Cheers.
Bolshy bugger, too, if he's not the center of attention.

I don't know the guy but I have seen him drink its impressive even by West Coast standards.
Only a wee buggar to.
His daughter isn't half bad looking, I would invite her instead.

[gjm]

His daughter isn't half bad looking either I would invite her instead.

Bree? Didn't she take up with some TV show or summat?

I think Winnie is the appropriate winner. He'll make some sort of difference - apparently he's already taken a pop at John Key about the railways. I suspect JK will be in for a very rough ride going forward, which has to be a good thing. JK has directed snide and belittling comments at a lot of people and been able to walk away when it got too hot - it could be his turn to be on the receiving end, and he'll have nowhere to hide.

[husaberg]

Bree? Didn't she take up with some TV show or summat?

I think Winnie is the appropriate winner. He'll make some sort of difference - apparently he's already taken a pop at John Key about the railways. I suspect JK will be in for a very rough ride going forward, which has to be a good thing. JK has directed snide and belittling comments at a lot of people and been able to walk away when it got too hot - it could be his turn to be on the receiving end, and he'll have nowhere to hide.

Yes Shortland Street.
Plays a sociopath I understand.
So maybe a career in politics afterwards.

[AllanB]

Fucking Peters. What a self serving ego maniac. He'll do nothing for them. Bloody old drunk.


IMO politicians should have to retire at the retirement age. Period.

[oldrider]

Fucking Peters. What a self serving ego maniac. He'll do nothing for them. Bloody old drunk.


IMO politicians should have to retire at the retirement age. Period.

That changed long ago - nobody has to retire any more so why should politicians - otherwise you are spot on!

[husaberg]

Fucking Peters. What a self serving ego maniac. He'll do nothing for them. Bloody old drunk.


IMO politicians should have to retire at the retirement age. Period.

Over 65's make up (he googles) well over 12% of the population. So if you take into account that they nearly always actually vote they are a critical voting block.
So a candidate also being over 65 might be considered appealing to them in a MP.