The rules.

[sidecar bob]

If the events of the weekend wernt enough to cure me of bucket racers forever, this thread certainly is.
Youre a pack of fuckin 4 year olds squabbling over the big yellow truck in the sandpit.

[Danger Dave]

I wasn't riding, I could not lodge a protest. And as has already been mentioned (shit I hate it when people jump in with their opinion before they have read earlier posts) The officials stood with Nathanial for the duration of the protest period. We were waiting for some kind of announcement. But there was only ever one outcome as the riders brief was clear plus the black flag had been used in previous years for the same transgression. You don't get to change the rules on the day. This was the bucket GP, it wasn't a club meet. Im clearly the most vocal but there were plenty of people calling this. If you set a rule then it needs to be administered.
It was a really good weekend, as already stated it was well organised and run and its always good to catch up with the south of the Bombay's crowd.
Sorry to have spoilt your fun Steve, just to let you know there are no skittles in my future.
Done.

Soooo let me get this right, somebody fell whose handlebars may or may not have touched the ground, none of the riders care as none of them protested but someone who wasn't riding has got upset cause they were watching and feel someone should of protested?

Buckets should be about having a laugh, yes it's the GP but if none of the riders gave a shit why do you?

[Grumph]

The steward was available for at least half an hour after the event and probably closer to 45.

7.1.4 A protest may only be made by a competitor who has competed in a race or competition from which the protest ensues, or that rider’s representative where the rider making the protest is incapacitated by reason of injury

7.1.5 The protest must be submitted to the Steward of the Meeting in writing and accompanied by a fee of $35.00 and must make reference to the relevant rule alleged to have been infringe

I read this with some amusement...Assuming a protest was made, no rule would be quoted,no supplementary reg could be quoted, only what had been stated and witnessed at riders briefing....Which may or may not have any legal standing.
Lawyer up boys....

This shit is making a visit from the SI look attractive....not.

Oh and a tip for your steward - if you have reason to think there may be a protest against any competitor, you make yourself available, you specifically do not stand talking to that competitor as though something was happening to change the result....
Note - this impression was gained from reading the organisers comments.

[seymour14]

If the events of the weekend wernt enough to cure me of bucket racers forever, this thread certainly is.
Youre a pack of fuckin 4 year olds squabbling over the big yellow truck in the sandpit.

The weekend was a great time, and the people involved are all good sorts, you probably didn't open your eyes to the other 99% of the weekend if you can make comments like that.

All some people are asking is for a legit reason for the final result. We had all been told a set of rules for the day. If you crashed, you were meant to remove yourself quickly and safely from the track and away from the action. If your handlebars hit the deck, you were to be scrutinized as well. Very simple as.

Maybe a little more thought needs to go forward for the future for some of these rules, otherwise precedents are made and resentments can arise when the same rule does not apply evenly across the board.

Not being an arse, just using a bit of commonsense and looking for a positive step forward.

[F5 Dave]

If the events of the weekend wernt enough to cure me of bucket racers forever, this thread certainly is.
Youre a pack of fuckin 4 year olds squabbling over the big yellow truck in the sandpit.

Yes, we are all like that. Nice generalisation, we appreciate that. I guess that is why our bikes aren't proper.

[F5 Dave]

The weekend was a great time, and the people involved are all good sorts, you probably didn't open your eyes to the other 99% of the weekend if you can make comments like that.

All some people are asking is for a legit reason for the final result. We had all been told a set of rules for the day. If you crashed, you were meant to remove yourself quickly and safely from the track and away from the action. If your handlebars hit the deck, you were to be scrutinized as well. Very simple as.

Maybe a little more thought needs to go forward for the future for some of these rules, otherwise precedents are made and resentments can arise when the same rule does not apply evenly across the board.

Not being an arse, just using a bit of commonsense and looking for a positive step forward.

Now this is probably the best response so far.



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ok here is a little exercise in hypothetical thinking. We were told a crash was you helmet or the handlebars touching the ground.


Lets say I was to have a little pirouette at the pit corner at all of 20km, (there were three while I was flagging there earlier) the rear rotates round and dumps me over under the bike, but neither of the specified parts hit the ground. I've crashed this way before. I still think it is a crash, but we were given guidelines, so I stand up, sling a leg & let the clutch out. Then pass every other m.fo and win the day.

I'm a bloody hero & I didn't break any rules. But then someone notices that I have fresh looking scratches on my brake lever. Opps. I didn't think it touched the ground. What if it didn't & someone black flagged me?

None of the above happened. but its worth the thought experiment.

[sidecar bob]

Yes, we are all like that. Nice generalisation, we appreciate that. I guess that is why our bikes aren't proper.

Hey its hard not to think you guys a bunch of fuckwits, running around with those T shirts on "id rather ride a bucket than push a superbike" seriously, I saw a kid there that deserves a ride at a much higher level, say protwins or 250 production to start with, but hes destined to go nowhere.

[quallman1234]

Hey its hard not to think you guys a bunch of fuckwits, running around with those T shirts on "id rather ride a bucket than push a superbike" seriously, I saw a kid there that deserves a ride at a much higher level, say protwins or 250 production to start with, but hes destined to go nowhere.

No one is going to pay for a "ride" at a "higher" level.
If this kid wants to ride at a higher level, its up to him to get his ass to that level. If he still only wants to race buckets then good on him. There's less bullshit than all the other bigger bike racings. Which is far worse than buckets for bullshit.

He is in the right class if he is just starting. Buckets is the best place to start, simply because you get a FUCKEN shit load more seat time, for 1/4 the price, and its just as good of a seat time. I'm sure you have been to a recent 'big bike' racing meeting. But you get fuck all seat time for way too much money for youngin's.

Hamish Murphy went from a bucket (he learnt to ride reasonably well on a bucket and only a bucket) to a pro-twin and won nationals with like 4 meetings on his pro-twin to get used to it.

The only reason people care and why it was run like it was in the weekend (very well i must add) was because it was a official NZ Title.
Normally no one gives a fuck. But fair enough the rules should be obeyed properly if its a NZ Title race.
It was for sure the most MNZ style bucket meeting i have been to, but it had to be that way, because of the rules to run a NZ Title Event.

Speaking of rules. The protest time is up people. No one protested and put 50$ up. So protest next time, but for now off you go, and hope i see you at the next cool meeting where we can talk shit race bikes and drink piss.

[F5 Dave]

Hey its hard not to think you guys a bunch of fuckwits, running around with those T shirts on "id rather ride a bucket than push a superbike" seriously, I saw a kid there that deserves a ride at a much higher level, say protwins or 250 production to start with, but hes destined to go nowhere.

Yes those T shirts are a tongue in cheek response to all the people who, ohh I dunno say things like 'Not proper bikes' and its 'not real racing'. Poke fun at people long enough and they'll poke it back. MNZ for example didn't list F4 & F5 in their championship booklet I got about 6 yrs ago, as clearly we aren't proper racing (unlike the 9-12yr old trailbike class that was included). But you clearly took offence even though you see no problem belittling us. Thanks. And thanks for calling me a fuckwit. I won't lower myself to the same level.

And as far as 'destined to go nowhere' you only have to look about 5 years, list of champions (erm probably that same booklet) of roadracing were heavily loaded with people from buckets.

But for most of us it is about club racing, not trying to get a seat on a path to glory for which is very unlikely in todays money'd up highest level.

[goose8]

Hey its hard not to think you guys a bunch of fuckwits, running around with those T shirts on "id rather ride a bucket than push a superbike" seriously, I saw a kid there that deserves a ride at a much higher level, say protwins or 250 production to start with, but hes destined to go nowhere.

This weekend was the worst ive seen, an hopefully the worst I will see after riding a lot of bigger classes protwins an 250 prod are at a lower level not higher.
F3 or above dif higher level and it was good to see this year the top three classes at the nationals were won by buckets racers Avalon alister an jaden.

[goose8]

This weekend was the worst ive seen, an hopefully the worst I will see after riding a lot of bigger classes protwins an 250 prod are at a lower level not higher.
F3 or above dif higher level and it was good to see this year the top three classes at the nationals were won by buckets racers Avalon alister an jaden.

just to calify it was still a great meeting just a said end to a great meeting

[NSR143]

Oh and a tip for your steward - if you have reason to think there may be a protest against any competitor, you make yourself available, you specifically do not stand talking to that competitor as though something was happening to change the result....
Note - this impression was gained from reading the organisers comments.

The steward was available going about his own business in the immediate area for the 30-45min after our discussion. (sorry for the confusion)

And I see what you are saying about a rule to protest against, I was just trying to clear up the method if applicable.

[NSR143]

I guess we will not be seeing sidecar bob again....

[Kickaha]

I guess we will not be seeing sidecar bob again....

What were Gordie and that fat prick riding? did they dnf because it couldn't cope with their combined weight?

[jellywrestler]

Yes, I agree, it did seem a little O.T.T for bikes that barely go fast enough for gyroscopic energey to stand them upright.

it'not too long since a bucket racer died at Levels.....