A crashed Bucket

[koba]

How about "you all know what a crash is don't try and be a smart arse about it" That sounds "pretty legal" to me (got that one from Steven Joyce)

how about "you don't get to race for the rest of the event as you can't follow the rules"

Nah carry on as if nothing has happened, the rules are for others

I don't suppose you have an MB by chance? It just so happens you can have your 7% oversize, you just have to use a 24mm carb and forgo any plans of water cooling Welcome to our world.

The intentions of thig said on the internet sometime come across wrong, when there is all sort of subtle inflections missing.
This reads like you are trying to be a dick, is that the case?


Edit:
You know I have an MB, I said it in that post.

As for actually answering the question, I've spoken AGAINST giving the 100's the extra to allow kart pistons on a standard MB bore (In the past).

I'm now not so sure, I won't be destroking mine anytime soon so I will remain on standard MB type pistons with the associated limitations.
(They aren't stong, get the timing out a whisker and they are goneburger, the piston reliefs limit port sizes, they have a big heavy un-revvy ring, they cost a lot more than KT pistons, they have limited oversizes)

As I said in that post, I'm just spitballing this, I'm not firm enough to make a submission yet.

[kel]

This reads like you are trying to be a dick,

Oh man now you've done it

[F5 Dave]

A draft I bashed up a few years back but it didn't progress for one reason or another. Didn't allow to use the oversizes so a slightly bigger one would be better. Note I did spot the carb restriction.



Chapter 24 MNZ rulebook
Miniature road racing


To increase the oversize capacity restriction for F4 100cc 2 strokes.


Many of these engines are getting worn. Pistons are getting harder to get. In a similar vein that the recently changed F4 restriction for 150cc 4 strokes was increased to more oversizes (158.09cc) it is suggested that the current 104cc restriction is increased to 106.2cc.

This would allow a popular, cheap & easily available 52mm KT100 piston to be used in several models (TS100, TF100, GP100, MB100, H100, A100 etc) without having to destroke the crank (an expensive exercise).



Additionally amend:
F4 2 stroke engines over 106.2cc are restricted to carburation equivalent to a single 24mm carburettor


Was 104cc

[kel]

Just in case people had forgotten

Maybe a list of engines that would benefit and the maximum KT100 piston OS that the shorter stroke MB100 could use compared to the others and I think we would see it was more of a benefit to the few than the many.

Many over-sizes!!!! well not on the Suzuki GP/TF/TS or any of the other motors with a 50mm stroke, with these motors your over the 107cc limit with a 0.25mm OS KT100 piston.

Exactly!

KT100 pistons are a great idea but (and again I'll repeat it) rule changes can't benefit one group of motor owners over all others. For this year IF the rule change goes through you WILL be limited to a 24mm carb and air cooling.

[F5 Dave]

So the list is above. You could also include DT100 & RS 100, but RS aren't common in NZ I think.

0.25 is 5 o/s aftermarket, or 4 using genuine. How many do you want before you call it many? Bearing in mind Suzuki only list 2 for their engines.

And the 52 is an oversize in itself.

[F5 Dave]

That's not a rule change or the intention of the rule change, clearly the 125 AC 24mm rule was already in place.

[F5 Dave]

Adding some less than complete thoughts...

Regarding 22.1.3
The post quoted is great.
As mentioned, defining a crash is important.
As is stating a clearly defined penalty for rejoining without inspection. (Let's stay constructive here, we know why that is important).
Is disqualification for failing to be re-inspected reasonable?

Defining 'low' speed might help or hurt, if speed by number was defined someone would have to monitor it, sounds too hard. I think your wording is good.
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A gem from an old Jody's box (col. in US MX mag I used to read as a kid). You might have heard me utter it.


In a nutshell, crashing can be defined in 11
words: "One second my hands were full; the next they were empty"





But I think you'll find the new definition will be
Bike has stopped forward motion & is leaned over more than 45 degrees or rider parted company with the bike. I like this definition.
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[jasonu]

A gem from an old Jody's box (col. in US MX mag I used to read as a kid). You might have heard me utter it.
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Jody Weisel of MXA (Motorcross Action) Still going strong.

[F5 Dave]

Yeah that's right. My grandad kindly bought me a copy when I was sick ( I asked for BMX action).

Hmm the colour on that quote went funny for dark side. Fixed it

[jasonu]

Yeah that's right. My grandad kindly bought me a copy when I was sick ( I asked for BMX action).

Hmm the colour on that quote went funny for dark side. Fixed it

Your Grandad did you a favor.

[TZ350]

Only a few days left for making submissions on any of the proposed rule changes:- http://www.mnz.co.nz/docs/default-so...1.pdf?sfvrsn=2

Below is my submission on the proposed new safety rule where it is proposed a competitor can't rejoin a race after a crash. On the face of it, it looks a good idea but I think a disadvantage to the sport where Bucket race meetings are held at Kart tracks.


I submit that the F4 and F5 (Bucket RR and Sidecar) classes racing on Kart Tracks be excluded from the proposed 22.1.3 rule change.

“”Chapter 22 – Road Racing 22.1.3 – All machines that crash during practice, qualifying or racing cannot continue that session.””

The proposed 22.1.3 rule change on the face of it is a very good idea but overly disadvantages and is counter productive for what is possibly the biggest group in Road Racing, F4 & F5 (Buckets). Because Bucket races which are held on Kart tracks, often have comparatively long races which are characterised by low impact dismounts and minor crashes.

And being a Kart track, easy access to the pits for a machine re examination. Having to completely withdraw from a race at a Kart track after a minor crash, would severely deplete the field in the more important and longer Bucket races for no good reason.

Endurance Bucket races and GP’s already practice a safety re check routine after an off or minor crash for a quick pit stop for a machine check before re joining the fray.

This allows competitors to develop the focus needed to remain in contention as demonstrated by the winner of the last F4 and F5 GP’s run on the Tokoroa Kart track. The F5 GP was won after an enforced pit stop and the F4 after the eventual winner recovered from an off early in the race. Both examples of not letting events faze them and very determined and focused riding, necessary skills for anyone who aspires to be a world class rider.

I submit that the F4 and F5 (Bucket RR and Sidecar) classes racing on Kart Tracks be excluded from the proposed 22.1.3 rule change.

MNZ License 2188

[F5 Dave]

Don't feel like I had a minor impact. Was just watching a GP where the rider crashed, remounted and continued.

[Grumph]

Don't feel like I had a minor impact. Was just watching a GP where the rider crashed, remounted and continued.

Yeah, but....it was seen and would have been reported by radio to the race director who would have asked the marshals to do a visual report as to whether it was visibly damaged or dropping fluids....This facility is available at the national rounds so you'd think we could use it. But Nooooo.

So teezee's asking for an exemption for short Kart tracks where it is obviously very possible to miss a crash entirely and a radio link is usually wishful thinking...may not get through IMO. Again, MNZ has to be seen to be proactive in the H&S area - even if it is a tad hypocritical.

[Buddha#81:Me]

There is a multitude of unseen issues. I have seen first hand a young very experienced chch rider slam into a tyre wall and fold the front wheel under the motor & put himself in a ambulance riding back to the pit after a warm up lap bin. Even though he tested the front brakes by the time he needed them to safely negotiate pit lane they had totally failed.

[koba]

Submission sent:

Hi there,
I'm keen to make a submission on a proposed rule change.
My friend has already basically said the same thing, I've included his words below in blue as He's conveyed my feelings exactly I see no point in re-writing it.
I do think that re-scrutineering is a reasonable requirement but to exclude a crashed ride completely would really impinge on the fun and fairness of our race meetings, (Most of them on kart tracks.)

Regards...



Buddha, I submitted this before reading your post.
That situation sounds like a bit of a freaky occurrence, quite shit. Perhaps stipulating a 'delicate' pace, out of the way (Nowhere near the raceline) would be a good idea?