A crashed Bucket

[FJRider]

That's a bad definition. Running off the track a bit would count. Or a counter would be "oh I intended to do that"

The keyword being Intentional ...

[F5 Dave]

That sounds easy to prove. Bar or helmet was last used def. But perhaps Bar and any body part other than foot, knee, or if yer keen, elbow.

[Bert]

Maybe it envokes the: must maintain racepace...
Bloody hard to do that sitting on your ass holding the bars off the ground...
If you have to stand on your feet to lift the bike up to its rideable position for you to then hop back on, I'd say that's a crash...

Now what about push starting a bike on the track during a race. I can't see how that is maintaining race pace either and against the current rules...

[speights_bud]

I've just been reading through the proposed rule change PDF sent out by MNZ.

Fark me its full of spelling errors, wrong words and sentences that need full stops etc to make them readable.

I'm no Grammar Nazi (as you can tell from above) and am happy to be proven wrong. It looks like no one has bothered to proof read with any integrity, perhaps they have simply copy pasted from the submissions & Commissioners emails. I will email these to MNZ.:

-All sections about belly pans needing fitment:
"Machines where the upper section of the exhaust header could come in with oil are expected (for example Ducati Panagale)."
should read Exempt?

All sections about shark fins being fitted:
-Machines where swingarm shape or positioning prevents fitment are excepted (for example Yamaha R1).
Should read Exempt?

Appendix L:
-This homologated motorcycle must be a street type, road registerable and Wof mass production machine, available and sold new in New Zealand.
-What is a "WOF mass production machine"...? -To be registered a motorcycle must first pass a WOF so therefore the "WOF" is an unnecessary requirement.

Appendix L:
1. Twin cylinder four stroke engines from 260cc up to 325 cc Single cylinder four stroke engines from 260cc to 400cc.

-Revise into 2 sentences or bullet points to clarify between machine classification.

Appendix L:
9 e) Headlight, rear light and blinkers must be removed
Change "Blinkers" to "indicators"

[speedpro]

Proof read by the same person who writes the Yahoo news articles

[jasonu]

I've just been reading through the proposed rule change PDF sent out by MNZ.

Fark me its full of spelling errors, wrong words and sentences that need full stops etc to make them readable.

I'm no Grammar Nazi (as you can tell from above) and am happy to be proven wrong. It looks like no one has bothered to proof read with any integrity, perhaps they have simply copy pasted from the submissions & Commissioners emails. I will email these to MNZ.:

-All sections about belly pans needing fitment:
"Machines where the upper section of the exhaust header could come in with oil are expected (for example Ducati Panagale)."
should read Exempt?

All sections about shark fins being fitted:
-Machines where swingarm shape or positioning prevents fitment are excepted (for example Yamaha R1).
Should read Exempt?

Appendix L:
-This homologated motorcycle must be a street type, road registerable and Wof mass production machine, available and sold new in New Zealand.
-What is a "WOF mass production machine"...? -To be registered a motorcycle must first pass a WOF so therefore the "WOF" is an unnecessary requirement.

Appendix L:
1. Twin cylinder four stroke engines from 260cc up to 325 cc Single cylinder four stroke engines from 260cc to 400cc.

-Revise into 2 sentences or bullet points to clarify between machine classification.

Appendix L:
9 e) Headlight, rear light and blinkers must be removed
Change "Blinkers" to "indicators"

You are right, it is definitely amature hour. It looks and sounds like pidgeon engrish.

[Bert]

You are right, it is definitely amature hour. It looks and sounds like pidgeon engrish.

I'm assumed with the construct, with the different types of named machinery not relevant for the class used to describe...
Kawasaki Ninja 250 named in the super bike regs.. I know it is to provide an example, but...

And, the whole Ducati header example (oil catch belly pans) makes no sense: it's like half the sentence is missing..

And superlites (F3) the removal of the need to use standard airbox's... Hummmm more power and potential bias shift in a class that is currently working.

[mr bucketracer]

so glen w has been hanging around me to long? he can't help it . lol

[TALLIS]

@ lest itz not n txt langwg. Even though that's ok for collegetests these days apparently.....

[koba]

In regards to proposed rule change:

22.1.3 – All machines that crash during practice, qualifying or racing cannot continue that session. At the end of that session crashed machines must be delivered to the Machine Examiners for reexamination and Gear Check before re-entering the circuit. Riders that continue after crashing must be reported to the Clerk of the Course.

I think this is a good change for the safety of riders and I do support it overall, particularly on large and fast tracks.

APPLICATION TO BUCKET RACING
There has been discussion around bucket riders about how this applies to the racing we do. Currently any crashed bucket needs to be removed from the track and be inspected before being allowed to continue the session. This is because most cashes are low level crashes, mainly slow low sides. Any major crash red flags the race like normal.

This rule change will likely have no real affect to our normal sprint races but will have a considerable affect to races like the 2 hour endurance race and the 40 lap Grand Prix we run every year. It is common for riders to come off, have their bike checked, and still complete the race. Sometimes they even come back and win the race still.

PROPOSED UPDATE TO THE RULE CHANGE
After discussion amongst the bucket community, we propose that this rule come with an exception for miniature road racing for races run only on go kart tracks. or other small low speed venues such as car parks, airfields etc.

22.1.3a - Rule 22.1.3 does not apply to miniature road races held on go-kart race tracks or similar small and low speed racing venues. In this case, all machines that crash during a practice, qualifying or racing must be checked by the designated official before recommencing the session.

Adding some less than complete thoughts...

Regarding 22.1.3
The post quoted is great.
As mentioned, defining a crash is important.
As is stating a clearly defined penalty for rejoining without inspection. (Let's stay constructive here, we know why that is important).
Is disqualification for failing to be re-inspected reasonable?

Defining 'low' speed might help or hurt, if speed by number was defined someone would have to monitor it, sounds too hard. I think your wording is good.


Regarding Overbores.
I like 7% as an OVERBORE, IE the engine starts under that size and can be increased to allow repair.
I best not get started on the Forza thing.
Some People will always got straight to the biggest, it's a calculated risk, not everybody does. I'd be screwed if I had as I run a rattly old MB on standard pattern pistons.
(16x the Price of Mike's legendary batch of cheap KT pistons)

[speights_bud]

MNZ promptly replied to my email today, said they had fixed the spelling errors and put my 2c on a few other changes forward.

Get your emails sent about your opinions on the changes and then you have the right to moan.

Just like the election, if you don't vote, you have no right to moan

[Bert]

MNZ promptly replied to my email today, said they had fixed the spelling errors and put my 2c on a few other changes forward.

Get your emails sent about your opinions on the changes and then you have the right to moan.

Just like the election, if you don't vote, you have no right to moan

So true...

[kel]

As mentioned, defining a crash is important.

How about "you all know what a crash is don't try and be a smart arse about it" That sounds "pretty legal" to me (got that one from Steven Joyce)

As is stating a clearly defined penalty for rejoining without inspection.

how about "you don't get to race for the rest of the event as you can't follow the rules"

Is disqualification for failing to be re-inspected reasonable?

Nah carry on as if nothing has happened, the rules are for others

I like 7% as an OVERBORE

I don't suppose you have an MB by chance? It just so happens you can have your 7% oversize, you just have to use a 24mm carb and forgo any plans of water cooling Welcome to our world.

[F5 Dave]

Not just an MB of course. And stop being a dick about it 107 vs 130 doesn't cut it.

[Grumph]

Not just an MB of course. And stop being a dick about it 107 vs 130 doesn't cut it.

On big tracks and long races the water cooling over rides the capacity difference - as you well know Dave....