A visit from the Police

[Sniper]

Mate... dont worry bout it, the great thing about this forum is that we can say what we want just like you are... so let Lou be Lou, I like to hear what every body has to say not just the prats with there "PC" shit thing happening it would be a boreing place if that was so

I suppose thats true. I gues a few deep breaths and getting some work done calmed me down. Sorry Lou

[Lou Girardin]

Thanks Sniper, but I'm cool with it. I'm of Italian descent arguing is a hobby. Not even the Spudlet gets under my skin.
It's one of the benefits of ageing, you tend to care less what people think of you.

[Big Dave]

It's one of the benefits of ageing, you tend to care less what people think of you.

That explains the haircut at least.....

[Lou Girardin]

That explains the haircut at least.....

Says the man juggling rocks in a glasshouse.

[spudchucka]

Should you decide to read the link I posted Spud (asuming you arnt allready up with the play on that one) then do so with an open mind.... I have no idea if he did it or not but knowing what I do there was some bloody dodgy shit done by the police, and by saying that I arnt taring all police with the same brush... it only takes one or two.

I've looked through the web site, I've watched the docos on the box, I've seen it from both sides and like the courts of appeal etc etc I still think he's guilty.

[spudchucka]

The appeal process. A system devised to protect the justice system at all costs.
The Thomas and Ellis cases are prime examples.
The only way the truth was exposed in the Thomas case was through the efforts of a journalist and the employment of an Australian to adjudicate.
Apparently everyone else ( 2 appeals) believed that a .22 case could sit unnoticed in the Crews garden for 2 months and still be nice and shiny and have held a bullet that had never been loaded into those cases.
The sooner that prosecution duties are removed from the Police and given to an independant body, the better.

How did I know that you would bring up the Crew murders?

Indictable matters are prosecuted by the Crown Solicitors office, not by police prosecuters.

[spudchucka]

Spud does.

You're the only salesman I slag off at, shit I used to be one too.

[spudchucka]

It's one of the benefits of ageing, you tend to care less what people think of you.

At least we have one thing in common.

[Beemer]

I have very little faith in the jury system, since I actually was on one about 5 years ago.

But the other members of the jury that I was on were far from impressive. Half a dozen retired souls, neither cerebral nor wordly wise. One clued up guy, the rest students or unemployed. One of the unemployed was a VERY stroppy maori woman who dominated the proceedings by sheer bitchery. She told us all (in no uncertain terms) that none of the evidence mattered , because "she scould see auras", and the victim had a brown aura , which meant that she was a liar. And the accused had a blue aura which meant that he was good.

And the really sad thing is that by and large this is what determined the verdict. Some went with her because they were afraid of her, some because they believed her hocus pocus, and some (myself included) because at least it was injustice in the right side - ie not finding an innocent person guilty, and the accused was not really a bad sort, just a guy who had gotten tangled up in something he didn't intend. But it was very far from serving the interests of justice.

I still think that technically it was guilty, but I wasn't interested in holding out for a lost cause. Which would only have had the effect of either the same as a not guilty verdict, or of putting all those concerned through it all again. And I also felt that the police had been rather over zealous in charging the guy in the first place (it was a "domestic " type thing, but not the usual nasty sort of one, they were both good people who had lost the plot for a bit, counselling would have been a better option).

Exactly my experience! I've served on a jury once and been excused a couple of times (once waiting to go into hospital and once while unemployed and actively trying to get a job) and I don't think the system works very well. If it really was a jury of your peers, they would allow criminals to serve on juries for a start!

The case I got was a fairly simple aiding and abetting the sale of marijuana (the guy was in the same room while the sale was conducted) to an undercover cop (codenamed "Brownie" - a huge Maori guy!). The defendant was white, but one elderly woman declared that because he had Maori mates, he MUST be guilty. Oh yeah, that makes sense... One older guy was quite pushy and very pedantic over the charges and how they were worded. A couple of unemployed, mix of ages and roughly half male, half female. I went into it with an open mind but was quite young and felt pressured to agree with finding him guilty. I felt a little better when they read out the other charges (we didn't know them before) he was accused of - burglary, growing dope, etc. because he obviously wasn't squeaky clean, but I really think they need to screen people and find out if they have any prejudices or - a biggie - any brains!

[Marmoot]

I don't believe in jury trial either. It's like the proverbial "let the one without sin cast the first stone" story.

[*sic]

jury service is an eye opener in the sence that the general public are complete morons incapable of making sensible justified desisions.

my case (i was on the jury) was held out for a day extra, (few people backing one girl for a not guilty verdict) because one girl there, as she explained to me the day before we went into deliberation, "I get paid more cash if i stay here than if i go to work.. and i get free food".. so she proceeded to hold up the justice system untill 2pm when the court considers it a full day so she got paid accordingly, and then decided to flip the verdict back to the UNDENIABLE one....hmm.

I have no faith in peoples intentions or motives. ever.

[Deano]

The case I got was a fairly simple aiding and abetting the sale of marijuana (the guy was in the same room while the sale was conducted) to an undercover cop

Shit, I better stop sharing the same bit of road with the local hoons - I might get arrested for aiding and abetting their speeding !!

[Marmoot]

"I get paid more cash if i stay here than if i go to work.. and i get free food".. so she proceeded to hold up the justice system untill 2pm when the court considers it a full day so she got paid accordingly, and then decided to flip the verdict back to the UNDENIABLE one....hmm.

Can't she be prosecuted for perjury?

[Lou Girardin]

Can't she be prosecuted for perjury?

No. She didn't lie under oath.

[jaybee180]

Some of people really make me laugh - you bitch when you think the cops aren't doing their jobs, and you bitch when they are.

Like you all, they have certains roles to play within the force, and I'm sure NONE of you would turn around to your boss and say "Nah, I don't feel like doing that today."

Get onto the people that count and make changes if you want.

Contest the ticket if you want - it's your Right. Get it transferred - will be no problem if you get hold of the prosecution section.

Yup would probably be better if prosecutions were done independantly, but they aren't. Do you think the Police decide that? Nuh! Comes from your Government. The funding the Police recieve is allocated by the Government. We do what they tell us!!!!

Do you think they give tickets coz they REALLY, REALLY want to? Nah the directive comes from the government. Come on people, stop blaming the individuals who are doing their respective jobs, and start blaming the right people. Until WE change it, it ain't gunna get changed!