Yet another ATGATT thread

[Grashopper]

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Some naked skin for you guys: http://crossbonesracing.proboards.com/thread/2146


That could have been the daughter.

I think it was well done by rastuscat, to stop the guy and his daughter. Who else is going to tell them how stupid they are?

Of course, they were just going for a short ride. Nothing will happen. After all he is a great rider. No chance he would crash. - Well, newsflash. All those people that crash everyday, in their cars, trucks or on their bikes. They didn't think they would crash, either.

She didn't think they would crash either. Her story is here if anyone is interested: http://www.rockthegear.org/brittanys-story
I assume most people here have heard about Britanny Morrow, but I think this reminder can't be posted too often.

[swbarnett]

I wear plenty of gear all the time as i like to MINIMISE the risk.

And yet you still ride one of those two-wheeled death traps.

Minimising the risks only works to as point. Where that point lies is personal and cannot be decided by anyone else.

Who else is going to tell them how stupid they are?

I take it you mean for riding a motorcycle?

[TheDemonLord]

And yet you still ride one of those two-wheeled death traps.

Minimising the risks only works to as point. Where that point lies is personal and cannot be decided by anyone else.

I'm working on an Automated RPG based active protection system.

[Grubber]

And yet you still ride one of those two-wheeled death traps.

Minimising the risks only works to as point. Where that point lies is personal and cannot be decided by anyone else.


I take it you mean for riding a motorcycle?

I have had many a tumble on the track at good speeds and walked away each time. Think the gear is doing the job.
If you want to argue the point about death traps, we could then be looking at most movable objects that we use every day, but then i'm actually trying to be sensible about the bikes and the avoidable issues involved like wearing decent gear.
It's all about minimising risks not creating silly arguments.
We could all just walk everywhere if you like.

[Grubber]

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Some naked skin for you guys: http://crossbonesracing.proboards.com/thread/2146


That could have been the daughter.

I think it was well done by rastuscat, to stop the guy and his daughter. Who else is going to tell them how stupid they are?

Of course, they were just going for a short ride. Nothing will happen. After all he is a great rider. No chance he would crash. - Well, newsflash. All those people that crash everyday, in their cars, trucks or on their bikes. They didn't think they would crash, either.

She didn't think they would crash either. Her story is here if anyone is interested: http://www.rockthegear.org/brittanys-story
I assume most people here have heard about Britanny Morrow, but I think this reminder can't be posted too often.

I read that story some time back, very sobering!

[Grashopper]

I take it you mean for riding a motorcycle?

Nah, for thinking nothing could ever happen to them.

I've met 'that' guy who didn't think he needed any gear because he just quickly went out to get milk and got taken out on the way to the shop down the road.

Control is an illusion. No one knows what happens next. Shouldn't stop anyone from doing what they love, but a bit of brain usually helps.

[swbarnett]

I have had many a tumble on the track at good speeds and walked away each time. Think the gear is doing the job.
If you want to argue the point about death traps, we could then be looking at most movable objects that we use every day, but then i'm actually trying to be sensible about the bikes and the avoidable issues involved like wearing decent gear.
It's all about minimising risks not creating silly arguments.
We could all just walk everywhere if you like.

All of which I totally agree with.

The problem is people poking their nose in where it doesn't belong. I only talk about "two-wheeled death traps" because this is how some car drivers see motorcycles. Deriding someone for their choices re m/cycle gear is no different to those car drivers deriding us for riding at all.

I think you'll probably agree that no-one has the right to decide for someone else what form of (legal) transport they use. By extension I would hope that you would also see that no-one has the right to decide for someone else what form of (legal) gear to wear (or not wear) on a motorcycle.

[swbarnett]

Nah, for thinking nothing could ever happen to them.

I've met 'that' guy who didn't think he needed any gear because he just quickly went out to get milk and got taken out on the way to the shop down the road.

Control is an illusion. No one knows what happens next. Shouldn't stop anyone from doing what they love, but a bit of brain usually helps.

Again, I totally agree with your sentiment. However, as laid out in my post above the decision is not yours to make.

[Grubber]

All of which I totally agree with.

The problem is people poking their nose in where it doesn't belong. I only talk about "two-wheeled death traps" because this is how some car drivers see motorcycles. Deriding someone for their choices re m/cycle gear is no different to those car drivers deriding us for riding at all.

I think you'll probably agree that no-one has the right to decide for someone else what form of (legal) transport they use. By extension I would hope that you would also see that no-one has the right to decide for someone else what form of (legal) gear to wear (or not wear) on a motorcycle.

Most of this i agree with yes.
As an ACC paying motorcycle rider i think i do have a right to minimise my payments and the cause of those ever increasing payments. Not to mention the 'human good will' to protect my fellow (albeit idiot) rider. I have some heart to be fair and i hate to see someone placing themselves in harm of any manner. Not just riding either.

[Grashopper]

Again, I totally agree with your sentiment. However, as laid out in my post above the decision is not yours to make.

True that. But it is our decision to open the mouth and say something if we see someone might be putting themselves and others in danger.

Guess this website might be a bit less...comprehensive.., if someone had stopped to warn the 'nominees'.

I wouldn't put saying something about someone's choice of gear/no gear onto the same level as saying something about if people should be riding bikes or not. It is more on the same level as driving with or without a seat belt on or letting someone drive/ride drunk.

[nzspokes]

Most of this i agree with yes.
As an ACC paying motorcycle rider i think i do have a right to minimise my payments and the cause of those ever increasing payments. Not to mention the 'human good will' to protect my fellow (albeit idiot) rider. I have some heart to be fair and i hate to see someone placing themselves in harm of any manner. Not just riding either.

Agreed. Skin/burns ward is the most expensive to stay at Ive been told.

[swbarnett]

But it is our decision to open the mouth and say something if we see someone might be putting themselves and others in danger.

Yes, that is your choice. That still doesn't mean you have the right to deride someone else for their choices just because they don't align with your principles. The only principles that matter are those of the person you're talking to.

Guess this website might be a bit less...comprehensive.., if someone had stopped to warn the 'nominees'.

Maybe, maybe not. That web site is probably full of people that wouldn't have listened anyway. More likely you would've been dismissed as an interfering twat.

I wouldn't put saying something about someone's choice of gear/no gear onto the same level as saying something about if people should be riding bikes or not. It is more on the same level as driving with or without a seat belt on or letting someone drive/ride drunk.

It's the same attitude. Simply put, one person is saying to the other "You're more dangerous than me so I want you to improve your safety - ideally to my level." To the air-bag, seat belt toting car driver that means "ideally" ditching the motorcycle.

[nzspokes]

Yes, that is your choice. That still doesn't mean you have the right to deride someone else for their choices just because they don't align with your principles. The only principles that matter are those of the person you're talking to.


Maybe, maybe not. That web site is probably full of people that wouldn't have listened anyway. More likely you would've been dismissed as an interfering twat.


It's the same attitude. Simply put, one person is saying to the other "You're more dangerous than me so I want you to improve your safety - ideally to my level." To the air-bag, seat belt toting car driver that means "ideally" ditching the motorcycle.

Bet you are a ton of fun at the Health and safety meetings at work.

[willytheekid]

Bet you are a ton of fun at the Health and safety meetings at work.

And I bet the fire brigade is fuckin happy he aint a consultant!

[nzspokes]

And I bet the fire brigade is fuckin happy he aint a consultant!

That is fuckin funny.