Love it !!!!!!Originally Posted by Kickaha
Short Arse Biker
Love it !!!!!!
Bored Room
Liberally stick these on every component. As nothing has been made there since about ....um 1976
DeMyer's Laws - an argument that consists primarily of rambling quotes isn't worth bothering with.
Forum whore
Voltu,
You missed the one where someone wants to allow methanol in pre 89 bikes too.
Re the 5 Year rule, it's woftam and here's some of the more notable points on that from my response to MNZ....
1) proposed rule change is on the assumption that bikes are only mass production, production based machinery that came with frame and engine numbers. Many road race machines don’t have engine numbers (I’ve owned two like that in the last few years and is common knowledge that Yamaha did not stamp later versions of TZ’s with engine numbers. Just a model code.
2) The application of said rule across any Post Classic class would deem almost all bikes in that class as illegal if it had any replacement part that was of recent manufacture, EVEN IF MANUFACTURED BY THE ORIGINAL MANUFACTURER AS AN OFFICIAL SPARE PART for that model, that was manufactured more than 5 years after the machine was built. I.e. a replacement set of crank cases, cylinder head, carburettors made last year in the original moulds would not be legal.
3) This rule is contradictory to 25.2.3 (replica parts) . The newest Post Classic bike is 26 years old. Manufacturers are regularly unable to supply major components when / if damaged. This shortfall is usually made up by replica parts produced by alternative suppliers. Here’s an example. Yamaha cannot supply TZ750 crank cases . Let's say I damage my TZ750’s engine enough that I require new crank cases, if this rule was applied, My bike would never be able to be ever raced again in NZ, should I fit a set of these http://classicmotorcycles.about.com/...rank-Cases.htm which would be my only real option to ever have a running motorcycle again (spare used crank cases are either worn out or as likely to be seen as a unicorn). Worldwide Classic and Post Classic racing would not exist without Replica replacement parts of recent manufacture.
4) “Generally accepted silhouette” rule. Can someone please show me where this rule is, or even that word is used within chapter 25? There is no so such rule, word, implication or attitude. Silhouette implies that as long as the machine “looks okay from a distance” that that is acceptable. MNZ Chapter 25 clearly defines that major components must be from the period or be replicas of. Never mind that the last sentence is also contradictory to the dating of the machine.
5) Assuming that this rule was in place, any earlier production machine from a long run model (RZ350 Yamaha was made for years from 83-89 with no changes to the major components), would be at a disadvantage to even the later production versions….In fact they could not even fit the parts from a 1989 bike to the 1983 model….
never mind the fact that how do you date parts that have no serial code (carbs?)or read the code if it had one!
Also, there is a rule change around crashed motorcycles that will be very hard to apply in many situations (though I understand why /what where etc on the rule, it may just need a lot more thought)....
22.1.3: Requirement that all crashed machines qualifying or racing cannot continue that session. At the end of that session must be Delivered to machine examiners for re-examination. I can understand the safety aspect, but are concerned by some aspects of this.
1)Given that machine examination is not mandatory in the first place, there may never be a machine examiner to revisit and recheck the machine.
2) What if it is a long and is the only practice session for an event and the bike is un damaged? If the bike is returned to the pits and is re-examined within the session (notwithstanding the above comment), they could still not continue, despite their machine being declared safe (by a non mandatory machine examiner!).
Low personal B.M.E.P.
I too missed the Methanol in pre 89. While the use of meth was legal in that period, I'm not keen on seeing it reinstated. I see the relatively inexperienced guys on FZR1000's and GSXR1100's - which were known to be difficult to ride when they were new - and I definitely don't want to see those guys playing with methanol.
I have a history of building meth motors - and have a pre 89 F3 in the barn which would love to be back on meth - but no way do i want to see it back.
Where did that one come from ? AFAIK it wasn't CAMS.
If those rules go through as is, we'll have to do a lot of remit writing to get them tidied in the next couple of seasons.
Hardcore Biker
WHO!!! the F#%K is making these dumb arse rules up? should be shot with a ball of there own Shit
Can see the writing on the wall for Motor Cycle Racing thats for shure, well at least i sent my two bobs worth into MNZ, hope everyone else did.
Low personal B.M.E.P.
Ha, i've just been told that what was put up for discussion was the unedited, unfiltered submitted proposals for change...Not what we've seen previously.
IMO, the proposals should have had the source attatched. Then we'd all know who to kick around the pits....
Forum whore
correct......I wonder who is smoking what sometimes!
Forum whore
yes, spoke to Greg Percival last weekend and he said he put them all up, unedited so people got to see ALL proposed changes, good, bad or mad.
Forum whore
Grumph, after I started reading what I saw in the ones most relevant to me, I thought it would be prudent to read them all and found some interesting stuff. One other one I was not keen on was the points moving to a 25,22, 20 set up, not the FIM 25, 20, 16 set up.
Heartedly agree on the meth one and your view on experience - extra power is not needed on these bikes, and a term I have used previoulsy is "arms race" and while very one goes quicker, no one gains an advantage and everyone spends more....
Hardcore Biker
RULES, RULES and more RULES, its like the building industry, OSH Health and Saftey is just killing it, good trades people are walking away from it, just can't put up with the stupid nonsense of it all, with forever increasing costs and paper work, we will soon find in this country more people on a job site signing off paper work than actual people doing the job, mark my words.
Right where were we, if any of this shit goes ahead good by to the Classic Racing.
Bored Room
Hey , thats my job your describing, I was a tradey once and now do all the paperwork.
What I have noticed is that once someone proposes something and its remotely about 'safety' no one says anything that could be seen as negative. Once that happens its goes off and get reviewed, everyone adds their tuppance worth and hey presto....more processes.
This is from the VCC in the latest Beaded Wheels.Page 4
" Those who hold positions at a branch or national level could be held into account for an accident involving any club member volunteering to assist running an event of just doing work around the clubrooms"
The OSH regs are changing from " employer" to "PCBU", person conducting a business or undertaking.
DeMyer's Laws - an argument that consists primarily of rambling quotes isn't worth bothering with.
Low personal B.M.E.P.
So, soon there will have to be an officials and volounteer's briefing before the riders one - Where the officials and volunteers sign a waiver and have a verse of health and safety read to them ?
I can just see a marshal - "if you feel that your safety is not being accounted for or you're not comfortable with the situation"- walking off...they've always been able to of course, but not usually during a meeting.
Two Wheels or Three = FUN
All this sarcasm...That already happens. I had to sign an indemnity form at Taupo last weekend just to scrutineer the bikes and have done so for the last few years that I've been doing it for the sidecars. Noticed that all the flaggies had signed it when I had to go and do it too. Makes you think twice about volunteering.
I know some people that gave up helping us when I was running trail rides, after that organiser down south was involved in some sort of court case after the death of a cyclist in a cycling event in ...Dunedin...Timaru? (somewhere down that way, and a long time ago now...alziemers.. I can't recall details). They tried pinning a manslaughter charge on him. Had organizers of all sorts of events ducking for cover ATT.
All this crossing t's and dotting i's makes me feel nervous....
Hardcore Biker
So by that it means no one will be doing sweet F#%K all,
Rider Coach
Wasn't it Port Hills in Christchurch, or Akaroa, and it was Her.
But, yeah scary business... We have to read the duty of care before every round.
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