MNZ proposed rule changes

[Voltaire]

So by that it means no one will be doing sweet F#%K all,

We are sad to announce the death of the five minute job, now requires a Permit to Work, Work Method Statement, Safe Work Method Statement and a Works Order Number.....etc

Just means all works take longer cost more and end user pays.

Maybe I could just get all the contractors to " sign a waiver" .......

[swarfie]

Wasn't it Port Hills in Christchurch, or Akaroa, and it was Her.

Correct...Well done that man. I did hesitate when I wrote "him"
We have to go through so much BS at work these days in the name of H & S, it's a wonder anything gets done at all

[quickbuck]

Correct...Well done that man. I did hesitate when I wrote "him"
We have to go through so much BS at work these days in the name of H & S, it's a wonder anything gets done at all

Yeah, was the cyclists fault as they were treating the event like a closed road, which it clearly wasn't...

I know the feeling regarding H & S, but to be fair we deal with some very nasty stuff that you only realise 30 years later and then it is too late...

Some of it seems OTT BS though... But it does protect some people from themselves.

[Kickaha]

Wasn't it Port Hills in Christchurch, or Akaroa, and it was Her.

Le Race, Christchurch to Akaroa cycle race

[Kickaha]

Yeah, was the cyclists fault as they were treating the event like a closed road, which it clearly wasn't....

Not quite, the cyclist believed it was a closed road event and it wasn't

[Yow Ling]

Don't know or care about the register's interpretations but Schafleitener (spelling?) marketed a 6 speed conversion in AMC/Manx shell pre 63. It's never been illegal to use OLDER components....or replicas thereof. I do note however that the no more than 5 years younger rule is only for the PC's, not pre 63....That deserves a serious belly laugh. If someone starts making replica GSX1100 motors, I suppose we could always appeal the rule.

edit On thinking about it as it relates to pre 82, I'm going to have to study how it relates to Guzzi and BMW motors - and learn the differences in years...

Suzuki make replica GSX1100 motors, nobody else has to

[malcy25]

I stand suitably corrected and humbled. Just had an interesting phone call, and I like many other people it would seen have incorrectly interpreted the pre 89 fuel rule submission.

The phone was from a man far smarter than me, and who initiated the submission. It was he who identified that there are in fact NO rules covering Pre 89 fuel.

If you track through the rules from the pre 89 rules in Chapter 25, to chapter 10, chapter 10 does not have any rules cover fuel for pre 89.....the rule submission is proposed to CREATE a set of pre 89 fuel rules. As the rule 10-17-3 ONLY covers up to pre 82...

So, my apologies to all concerned, especially the initiator - a complete screw up on my part bagging it as a change , when in fact they were fixing a gap in the rules. Secondly, it would appear that meth and any other fuel could have been used until now. This at least limits it to more normal styles......next year would be good to close out the meth thing (most people don't want it I feel), but that's another story.

Cheers

[Grumph]

Yet Billy told me on here some time back, that, specifcally, Meth was banned from pre 89....Was this one of those unwritten rules we're all supposed to know ?

But if you read 10.17.1, pre 89 is not listed in 10.17.2 or 10.17.3 so is therefore currently restricted to "avgas or unleaded FIM"

Disclaimer - my hard copy of MNZ regs is dated 2013 so there's a good possibilty that's been omitted from current regs....

[malcy25]

Grumph I beg to differ. 25.5.5 says 4 strokes open refer 10.17.3.

Rule 10.17.3 says "the following classes...." and pre 89 is not mentioned at all. Therefore is a gap and 25.5.5 says "open" so that could mean anything unless specifically banned elsewhere in chapter 10 (like nitromethane). There is nothing in rule 10.17.3 saying pre 89 is restricted to FIM unload or avgas.

I wish I knew about all these supposed unwritten rules people talk about! If it is not written down, it did not happen or can't be enforced. Looks like Billy was incorrect on meth being banned. It may be unclear until you really pick it apart, but I can't see anything there banning any fuel type in pre 89.

[mossy1200]

Glad im out really. The 5 year rule has most bikes on illegal exhaust and carbs. Good luck finding 26 year old brake pads and discs. Some will need ride on cross ply tires. Where does one find a 30 year old kill switch for road racing or some old stock oil filters or steering dampers. No more xring chains or ally sprocket. I have a new 532 chain in the garage. For Sale-$400 or near offer.

Good luck.

[Voltaire]

so what's going to happen at classic racing then....will it take several hours to check each bike for incorrect parts, or do they wait for the protests and then check them.

[ellipsis]

so what's going to happen at classic racing then....

...it will hang with the status quo ...I bet...

[scracha]

Glad im out really. The 5 year rule has most bikes on illegal exhaust and carbs. Good luck finding 26 year old brake pads and discs. Some will need ride on cross ply tires. Where does one find a 30 year old kill switch for road racing or some old stock oil filters or steering dampers. No more xring chains or ally sprocket. I have a new 532 chain in the garage. For Sale-$400 or near offer.

Good luck.

"Where a ‘major’ component is replaced, ie: Frame, Engine or Swinging Arm etc under the proviso of the generally accepted ‘silhouette’ rule, that component is to be no younger than five year than the component it replaces."

How does this cover tyres, brake pads, oil filters, steering dampers, sprockets or kill switches?

[nodrog:Me]

"Where a ‘major’ component is replaced, ie: Frame, Engine or Swinging Arm etc under the proviso of the generally accepted ‘silhouette’ rule, that component is to be no younger than five year than the component it replaces."

How does this cover tyres, brake pads, oil filters, steering dampers, sprockets or kill switches?

What if it is a really big kill switch?

[malcy25]

"Where a ‘major’ component is replaced, ie: Frame, Engine or Swinging Arm etc under the proviso of the generally accepted ‘silhouette’ rule, that component is to be no younger than five year than the component it replaces."

How does this cover tyres, brake pads, oil filters, steering dampers, sprockets or kill switches?

Given that none of those are stipulated as major components in chapter 25, I doubt it will be a problem. Not that I expect said change to be implemented.