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    Quote Originally Posted by scracha View Post
    Regardless, they're not 1982 bikes so IMHO cheater bikes. Put the same running gear from one of the new ones on at 1982 one and I betchya the laptimes would be quite different too. Nice bikes but I'd be fucked off if I were running a real pre 82 bike.

    Rules aren't being broken but the pre82 rules in NZ are a bad joke anyway. Cant say I recall watching fully faired 1300cc bikes with 200 section 17" rear tyres racing in 1982.
    Your "opinion" is noted. But it is just that, an opinion and does not constitute the bikes being cheater bikes. I suppose opinions are like arm pits. Everyone has one or two, though most people are not interested in them.

    Interesting to note that you had to agree that in my circumstances that my only real option was to use a recent production replication of the parts I need to allow my bike to run again, but when yet the parts are being made by the man himself who made the original parts, all of a sudden it not acceptable? Make up your mind. But if you reread my prior comments, you will have to acknowledge replica parts are something that has to be considered and embraced for safety or allowing continued use of most or all bikes as things break or wear out and can't be supplied by the original manufacturer. Or in Kens case, they can be.

    The bike you are most likely referring to which is the bike that Cam Donald has ridden well has Katana forks in it like that used in the Mc's from the period. With period 2 pot Lockheeds and cast iron non floating brembo discs like you'd find on a 900ss bevel drive etc. and a whopping 160 rear tyre. I mean the biggest they were using in about 82 was circa 150 or 3-75/6-00 dunlop which was circa 150. The TZ 350s were even using 130s then. By the way, Cam does 1.08s at HD like that. I recall hearing that it is quite small in the motor.

    1300cc, hell that's small to what was being used in 1982! The rider who made these bike famous was using the full capacity limit of 1350cc for nz f1 I heard. Gosh, full fairings have been in regular use since the 1950s. 200 section rear tyres. Not seen one in NZ on a Pre 82 bike, But if someone is keen, more fool them with a 5 inch rim. I have seen it in Aussie and with UK riders. Not pretty but few and far between. May be 6 top Aussie riders.

    NZ pre 82 rules a joke? So how many other country rules are you intimately aware of? NZ rules may not be perfect, but they are some of the tightest in the world. Please do elaborate on where the gap is. Note this is not production racing.

    Having an understanding of lap times from the early 80s , I can also confirm that the pre 82 bikes never got to the lap record at puke set around 1982 and the track was 2 seconds faster after changes around 1990. Vis 1982 was about 1.02 or better (Spyda, that would be D Hiscock if I recall?) Best postie record was 1.03.5.

    I was a spotty faced little rivet counter shit of a teenager who was the gopher and got dragged along to all the club and national level race meetings or raided the magazines that dropped through to house. So I got to see much of the technical side of the bikes in the early 80s before I started racing myself. I fact some of the bikes racing now or seen from time to time, are the very same bikes that I was looking at 30+ years ago or I now even own or have owned!

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    Looks like the section has got away from you a bit spyda...

    malky's pretty well right in what he says. Pre 82 are not going a lot quicker now at the circuits where a direct comparison is possible. Pre 89 definitely are not quicker either. IMO most of that is riding though...If you put Holden or one of the other guys from the period on these bikes, yes they would set records.

    However if you want to see these bikes run at all, compromises have to be made in so far as allowing replica bits. Would you turn up your nose at one of George Beale's Honda six REPLICAS, Scratcha ? Seeing and hearing those is the only way now you'll ever get that experience.

    Our rules are pretty much middle of the road compared to some countries. i don't like the Euro "safety" rulings which allow modern brakes for instance...
    I'm also not happy with the "australianisation" of our rules. Exactly how many people here will go and race in Oz ? Or vice versa ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jellywrestler View Post
    why? it's no dirtier than a kid kitten or potplant
    Try explaining that to Swarfies wife. His bikes are a lot nicer than mine too.
    I always point out great positions in their house that a bike could be displayed indoors to wind her up when I go there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grumph View Post
    Looks like the section has got away from you a bit spyda...

    malky's pretty well right in what he says. Pre 82 are not going a lot quicker now at the circuits where a direct comparison is possible. Pre 89 definitely are not quicker either. IMO most of that is riding though...If you put Holden or one of the other guys from the period on these bikes, yes they would set records.

    However if you want to see these bikes run at all, compromises have to be made in so far as allowing replica bits. Would you turn up your nose at one of George Beale's Honda six REPLICAS, Scratcha ? Seeing and hearing those is the only way now you'll ever get that experience.

    Our rules are pretty much middle of the road compared to some countries. i don't like the Euro "safety" rulings which allow modern brakes for instance...
    I'm also not happy with the "australianisation" of our rules. Exactly how many people here will go and race in Oz ? Or vice versa ?
    You can only propose rules that reflect what sombody in wanganui on minimum wage was doing in the period.

    Well at least thats what I was told.

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    Quote Originally Posted by malcy25 View Post
    I wish I could....! Awesome.
    ill put up another indoor dweller later on that will be closer to your liking. Do you want European two stroke, big old jappa, or possibly another Pom Bomb?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sidecar bob View Post
    Try explaining that to Swarfies wife. His bikes are a lot nicer than mine too.
    I always point out great positions in their house that a bike could be displayed indoors to wind her up when I go there.
    Yeah I've tried to get some of them in the lounge but it's NOT happening

    Mind you it'd be too dusty in there anyway....ssshhhhh don't let the war office hear wot I said

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    Quote Originally Posted by malcy25 View Post
    Your "opinion" is noted. But it is just that, an opinion and does not constitute the bikes being cheater bikes. I suppose opinions are like arm pits. Everyone has one or two, though most people are not interested in them.
    I'm not disagreeing and that's why I put it in italics.

    Quote Originally Posted by malcy25 View Post
    Interesting to note that you had to agree that in my circumstances !
    I said "I see your point", I never said I agreed with it

    http://www.crmc.co.uk/_webedit/uploa...02015%20v3.pdf
    some good ideas in there around frames at chapter 9. Be too late for us to change here though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scracha View Post
    I'm not disagreeing and that's why I put it in italics.


    I said "I see your point", I never said I agreed with it

    http://www.crmc.co.uk/_webedit/uploa...02015%20v3.pdf
    some good ideas in there around frames at chapter 9. Be too late for us to change here though.
    LOl, yeah, there is lots to look at and think about with all of this. I'm always interested in what other countries do. The CRMC rule book has some good stuff in it. But fact remains, that even "In period" there was a lot of cutting and shutting going on with steering heads around the world. Read the next rule around forks which are a really visual component and they are wide open in comparison to ours. They also have a history which is a little different ours. Interestingly you'll see no rim with limits (but a tyre width in line with what most guys here use of 160/180) or brake caliper aging etc.....

    So while they have a restrictive frame, what you can bolt on is far wilder than what we can do. Plus I know from guys like Captain Cocky James Clark, Higgsy, Steve Dobbie, Graham Salter, that steering geometry is well tweaked on those period look frames.

    I still contend that we have some of the tighest rules.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scracha View Post
    Regardless, they're not 1982 bikes so IMHO cheater bikes. Put the same running gear from one of the new ones on at 1982 one and I betchya the laptimes would be quite different too. Nice bikes but I'd be fucked off if I were running a real pre 82 bike.
    Scracha

    This is the very first section of the CRMC UK rule book that you were referring to:

    PART 1 – Overarching Principles and Authority – Right of Appeal
    The Classic Racing Motorcycle Club (“CRMC”) operates in order to promote the following two Over-riding Principles:
    1. The preservation and use of post war sports and racing machines;
    2. That to race with the CRMC machines must either be machines that were raced in the relevant period or be faithful replicas of such machines.

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    Quote Originally Posted by malcy25 View Post
    Read the next rule around forks which are a really visual component and they are wide open in comparison to ours.
    So realistically in NZ you could put a set of highly modified 2008 Harley forks into a pre '82 Z1000 & nobody would kick up a stink? Why the fuck don't people protest that kind of shit? (No offence intended Brian D)

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    Quote Originally Posted by sidecar bob View Post
    So realistically in NZ you could put a set of highly modified 2008 Harley forks into a pre '82 Z1000 & nobody would kick up a stink? Why the fuck don't people protest that kind of shit? (No offence intended Brian D)
    didn't you say something along the lines of " in a week no one remembers who won and its for a plastic cup" or something like that.
    DeMyer's Laws - an argument that consists primarily of rambling quotes isn't worth bothering with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Voltaire View Post
    didn't you say something along the lines of " in a week no one remembers who won and its for a plastic cup" or something like that.
    Yes, that is my philosophy on racing, so why would you bother cheating to achieve something that doesn't really matter a fuck in a week? The loss of honesty & integrity far outweighs the victory. (Says the bloke that races a bike with current rego & a main stand)

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    Quote Originally Posted by sidecar bob View Post
    Why the fuck don't people protest that kind of shit? (No offence intended Brian D)
    Because no one wants to put the protest in they'd rather just bitch about it, otherwise a certain sidecar with a rumoured oversize engine would have been done
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    Quote Originally Posted by sidecar bob View Post
    So realistically in NZ you could put a set of highly modified 2008 Harley forks into a pre '82 Z1000 & nobody would kick up a stink? Why the fuck don't people protest that kind of shit? (No offence intended Brian D)
    having a set of 'highly modified Harley forks" would still like being the tallest dwarf wouldn't it,

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