When is capital punishment ever justifiable?

[FJRider]

Plenty of peoples drug stashes both legal and illegal can kill kids.

Plenty of kid's die in their own driveway .... run (backed) over by a "Family Member" ... no drugs or booze involved.

[husaberg]

Plenty of kid's die in their own driveway .... run (backed) over by a "Family Member" ... no drugs or booze involved.

Granted plenty also die of natural causes to but the parents are put on trial with the death penalty for either, remember what this thread is about FJ?
Smuggling 9 kg of Heroin was not an accidental nor an oversight it was not even negligent.

[FJRider]

remember what this thread is about FJ?

Nah ... remind me ...

Smuggling 9 kg of Heroin was not an accidental nor an oversight it was not even negligent.

But they didn't mean to get caught ... so it must have been "Accidental" ...



The "I won't get caught .... I'm to clever" symdrome wins (loses .. ???) again ...

[Ocean1]

So to extend that further why not use the "thumper" they use at the freezing works. Just turns the brain to soup.

Could improve the IQ of quite a few around here...

[husaberg]

Nah ... remind me ...



But they didn't mean to get caught ... so it must have been "Accidental" ...



The "I won't get caught .... I'm to clever" symdrome wins (loses .. ???) again ...

I think they were more I won't get caught.........
Maybe they should have tried the stupidity defence anyway then.

[FJRider]

... Maybe they should have tried the stupidity defence anyway then.

They were too stupid to try that one ...

[husaberg]

They were too stupid to try that one ...

Shame ignorance is not a defence aye.......... If you don't believe me try that one with the IRD sometime.

I did a bit of research and it turns out the more often and faster a capital punishment is carried out after sentencing the better of a deterrent it actually is.
I also found the best you punishments that work as deterrents are the humble guillotine and hanging.
Neither if these need much medical training or expensive maintenance. Granted the noose has to be set right and the rope to the correct length but these are well established.

The lethal injection problems seem to stem from it needing medical training to find the vein the methodology is pretty simple.
A barbiturate to relax them and knock them out, Then a paralysing drug so the body doesn't show any pain, and lastly drug to stop the heart.
Any problems are actually from the delivery being wrong ie missed or collapsed veins as the potassium chloride that stops the heart is what causes the burning pain.
The protocols are actually pretty similar to what a vet uses only actually more humane.

[FJRider]

Shame ignorance is not a defence aye.......... If you don't believe me try that one with the IRD sometime.

All government departments work (or not) ... or try to work ... on the same principal of method ...

I did a bit of research and it turns out the more often and faster a capital punishment is carried out after sentencing the better of a deterrent it actually is.

The application of a .22 hollow point applied to the side of the head ... (via pistol) is both effective and cheap. (little training required)

[husaberg]

All government departments work (or not) ... or try to work ... on the same principal of method ...



The application of a .22 hollow point applied to the side of the head ... (via pistol) is both effective and cheap. (little training required)

Yes but it is not always totally effective even the Chinese are going away from it.
The side is also not the best place either.
After it is done in cattle they are still meant to be done with an icky stick pilth to sever the spinal cord to the brain or slitting the throat or piecing the heart
I am picking you have never used a captive bolt gun then either. They are a lot less messy than a gun but the animal needs to be restrained prior to application. plus the same follow up procedures.
I have witness some pretty poor point blank shooting including nose shots with rifles.

[FJRider]

Yes but it is not always totally effective even the Chinese are going away from it.
The side is also not the best place either.
After it is done in cattle they are still meant to be done with an icky stick pilth to sever the spinal cord to the brain or slitting the throat or piecing the heart
I am picking you have never used a captive bolt gun then either. They are a lot less messy than a gun but the animal needs to be restrained prior to application. plus the same follow up procedures.
I have witness some pretty poor point blank shooting including nose shots with rifles.

Even the Chinese are becoming more PC ... sign of the times maybe.

Side or front ... the recipient is unlikely to complain.

Cattle ... drug dealers ... meat to the slaughter ...

You would be correct. I have used the Browning 9mm ... with some degree of success ...

And I did say LITTLE training ... as opposed to NO training.

[husaberg]

Even the Chinese are becoming more PC ... sign of the times maybe.

Side or front ... the recipient is unlikely to complain.

Cattle ... drug dealers ... meat to the slaughter ...

You would be correct. I have used the Browning 9mm ... with some degree of success ...

And I did say LITTLE training ... as opposed to NO training.

Thing is though these people had gun licences.
I won't mention details but ..........suffice to say not even high calibre, high velocity and short distances guarantee success when the adrenalin is flowing.
ESP when the idiot refuses to understand why he should not be using a scope a less than two meters.

[FJRider]

Thing is though these people had gun licences.

I've never possessed one ... My Green pants and shirt (not to mention the Green hat) said I could. Even (NZ) Government sponsered too ...

[husaberg]

I've never possessed one ... My Green pants and shirt (not to mention the Green hat) said I could. Even (NZ) Government sponsered too ...

Figured that with the 9mm browning, quip.
As an aside horse jump quite a few feet directly up in the air when they are dispatched to the head.
There is no actual practical training required even now to get a gun licence, compares oddly to drivers licence.

[FJRider]

There is no actual practical training required even now to get a gun licence, compares oddly to drivers licence.

Strangely enough though .... most firearms offences are committed by non licensed firearms owners.

[unstuck]

Why would you come here in the first place?

Cos it's awesome once you know the way it works.