When is capital punishment ever justifiable?

[husaberg]

Strangely enough though .... most firearms offences are committed by non licensed firearms owners.

Strangly most crimes are committed by criminals, yet most shooting still involve firearms anyway.

[FJRider]

Strangly most crimes are committed by criminals, yet most shooting still involve firearms anyway.

Innocent untill proven guilty in a court of law ... apparently ...

[husaberg]

Innocent untill proven guilty in a court of law ... apparently ...

Not in quite a few countries quite the reverse.
Assumed guilty to proven innocent.
China Japan and I think Singapore.
Two of these use the death Penalty

I note that 310 people sentenced to life imprisonment in Italy in the 80s or 90's lobbied to be able to be executed.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6707865.stm

[98tls]

Not in quite a few countries quite the reverse.
Assumed guilty to proven innocent.
China Japan and I think Singapore.
Two of these use the death Penalty

I note that 310 people sentenced to life imprisonment in Italy in the 80s or 90's lobbied to be able to be executed.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6707865.stm

No doubt plenty that live in Auckland have done the same...

[husaberg]

No doubt plenty that live in Auckland have done the same...

They won't get out of there mortgages that easy the kids will still have to keep paying them.

[Big Dog]

Ive learnt about firing squads what I never knew before on this thread , my view on it is it should be 1 big one to the head not a squad

IIRC the reason a firing squad is used instead of a single executioner is to allow the shooters the option of telling themselves they didn't kill them.
It also meant in the early days that a single objector could elect to miss.
When I was reading up about this a few years ago during then U.S. civil war it was not uncommon for a squad of six to fail to their target from 10 paces. Usually when the crew did not agree with the charge or the lack of trials.



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[Big Dog]

They won't get out of there mortgages that easy the kids will still have to keep paying them.

I am curious how life insurance lands on this one.
Assuming you had the policy for a significant period before you committed the crime?
What if you took the policy after the crime but before you were collared?
Is it any different to how they only pay out on suicide if a specified period has lapsed? Most policies that is 13 months.

What of travel insurance?


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[husaberg]

I am curious how life insurance lands on this one.
Assuming you had the policy for a significant period before you committed the crime?
What if you took the policy after the crime but before you were collared?
Is it any different to how they only pay out on suicide if a specified period has lapsed? Most policies that is 13 months.
What of travel insurance?
Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

No idea how it works with suicide I doubt the insurance would pay lets be realistic any excuse to get out of paying.

[Big Dog]

No idea how it works with suicide I doubt the insurance would pay lets be realistic any excuse to get out of paying.

Unless things changed since I sold life insurance in the mid nineties companies all set minimum non payout periods and then are required by law to payout after that period. Guardian Assurance was 12 months from the receipt of the first payment.

My current policy pays 1.5 times on suicide but not for the first 13 months.
The policy my bank offered me on my mortgage was 13 months but no additional payout.

The thinking when I did the mandatory courses to be a member of the life insurance group similar to LMVDI but for life insurance ( I forget the name. ) was that no one of a suicidal frame of mind would wait that long, so anyone who did likely suffered from events occurring after the policy started.
Based on market research specifically allowing suicide saw more premiums coming in than payments going out.
If you look up the annual report of any company you are interested in they publish stats in the documents that they supply on request will be what death categories have they paid out on and what categories have they declined.

I haven't looked at these again since but we ha a collection to look at in the course. Every year the big four ( state, sun, guardian, tower) had about 10 suicides between them. None declined.

At that time pretty much the only reasons for non payout were criminal mischief and negligence on the part of the policy holder.
I thought it funny that if I cut my own head off with a chainsaw as a suicide it would be paid out. If it was an accident it would payout 2x with everyone except state who would pay 1.5. If however the same result was achieved because I disabled a safety device my family would see either a reduced payout or nothing.

It would be kind of interesting to see if twenty years later that is still true.




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[husaberg]

Unless things changed since I sold life insurance in the mid nineties companies all set minimum non payout periods and then are required by law to payout after that period. Guardian Assurance was 12 months from the receipt of the first payment.

My current policy pays 1.5 times on suicide but not for the first 13 months.
The policy my bank offered me on my mortgage was 13 months but no additional payout.

The thinking when I did the mandatory courses to be a member of the life insurance group similar to LMVDI but for life insurance ( I forget the name. ) was that no one of a suicidal frame of mind would wait that long, so anyone who did likely suffered from events occurring after the policy started.
Based on market research specifically allowing suicide saw more premiums coming in than payments going out.
If you look up the annual report of any company you are interested in they publish stats in the documents that they supply on request will be what death categories have they paid out on and what categories have they declined.

I haven't looked at these again since but we ha a collection to look at in the course. Every year the big four ( state, sun, guardian, tower) had about 10 suicides between them. None declined.

At that time pretty much the only reasons for non payout were criminal mischief and negligence on the part of the policy holder.
I thought it funny that if I cut my own head off with a chainsaw as a suicide it would be paid out. If it was an accident it would payout 2x with everyone except state who would pay 1.5. If however the same result was achieved because I disabled a safety device my family would see either a reduced payout or nothing.

It would be kind of interesting to see if twenty years later that is still true.




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I'm not willing to test the theory.
surprised so few claims though. Ten is buggar all.

[Big Dog]

I'm not willing to test the theory.
surprised so few claims though. Ten is buggar all.

Really common for people in that place to stop policies like that. A lot of people who go down that road have financial problems.
When I was there guardian had a policy of paying out on suicide for up to 1 year after cancellation if the policy was active for longer than 5 years.


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[Big Dog]

If you have a loved one who is normally good with bills and they suddenly stop paying bills and cancel insurances, post box etc. it may be time to reach out to them.


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[Paul in NZ]

I think this wanker pretty well justifies capital punishment...

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crim...bizarre-twists

[Voltaire]

I think this wanker pretty well justifies capital punishment...

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crim...bizarre-twists

Whats with the name suppression?

Was he out on semi home detention with an ankle bracelet?

[98tls]

I think this wanker pretty well justifies capital punishment...

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crim...bizarre-twists

Indeed,shame all the do-gooder pc fucks are not capable of realizing that theres some born with no hope and simply dragging the cunt outta the courthouse and ending it for all with a simple blow to the head with a mallet would be a suitable ending,the option of a member of the victims family doing the honours would be a nice touch,jesus we could even put the media to some good use with live coverage possibly at 7 so as to avoid Hoskings endless fucking about with his collar.Sadly these days its not an option but imagine the job satisfaction one could get if it was.