When is capital punishment ever justifiable?

[imdying]

As for Self Medication - it depends on your definition of work - does the user get high and forget whatever it is that is causing their suffering - yes. But is this fixing the problem? no.

Sometimes that doesn't matter. I have a mate with a condition that causes him great constant pain, one that can never be fixed. Smoking some dope makes it more tolerable for him, but without the side affects from strong painkillers. More power to him I say

[Akzle]

I agree and disagree - some drugs have relatively benign effects - even the most ardent Caffiene addicts (read the IT industry) are able to function on a day-to-day basis whilst fully dosed up with their drug of choice.

Other drugs have very dangerous effects - have you seen Meth Addict mugshots? not to mention the addiction power varies between drugs. Have you seen a Meth Addict been able to function properly in normal society?

Some drugs are unfortunately too dangerous for public consumption or at least need to be discouraged to the point where people are disuaded from trying them

utter horseshit. Ive recently given up my (rather minimal) caffeine habit.
Worse than crack, for me. A week worth of not eating, sleeping or shitting right.
Ban coffee!

[pritch]

This is a longish read but describes the lethal injection problem in the USA in some detail:

https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2...toneyearlater/

The comments about a paralysing agent are interesting. The daughter of a family I know had a problem with this. She was conscious throughout a caesarean but was paralyzed and couldn't move, couldn't speak, couldn't even blink. But she felt everything.

When the op was over she told the staff of her experience and got the "silly woman, you were dreaming" speech.
"Get me a pen" said she, and she wrote down what she could remember of the conversations in the operating theatre.
Condescention turned to consternation. Apparently a number of women had complained but they had all been dismissed out of hand.
Her written account was undeniable. I'm not sure what the final outcome was but I don't think that anaesthetist works in NZ any more.

[Akzle]

How about this for an alternative. Only users are allowed to manufacture or peddle and only if they are willing to take 4 x the max "safe" dose once a year to prove their product is in fact safe for a consumer?

Don't have a license as per above and get caught? You have one hour to consume all the product you were carrying or it's off to the guillotine for you.




Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

what a fuken jew.


What's the 'safe' dose of alcohol, btw?

[TheDemonLord]

Sometimes that doesn't matter. I have a mate with a condition that causes him great constant pain, one that can never be fixed. Smoking some dope makes it more tolerable for him, but without the side affects from strong painkillers. More power to him I say

Cannabis for me is definitely in the list of drugs that need a review - I would love to be able to legally:

Go to my local Marijuana store
Purchase a good quality product from a reputable grower, paying a reasonable amount of Tax for the privledge
Ride home (sober)
and sit on my deck, in the evening sun enjoying a big fat joint.

[TheDemonLord]

The comments about a paralysing agent are interesting. The daughter of a family I know had a problem with this. She was conscious throughout a caesarean but was paralyzed and couldn't move, couldn't speak, couldn't even blink. But she felt everything.

That sounds like an Awesome Death Metal song

[mashman]

Agree there is Hypocrisy, the thing with Alcohol is, it is like driving a car: thousands of people use it everyday responsibly and without incident and every so often someone does something stupid and kills themselves or others - should we ban cars?

I agree again that there is hypocrisy, and also put forward that many drug laws were first implemented on a basis of Racism as opposed to rational debate - and with all the concessions I am happy to make there is still a good causal link between drug abuse and criminal activity, irrespective of whether the drug is legal or not.

As for Self Medication - it depends on your definition of work - does the user get high and forget whatever it is that is causing their suffering - yes. But is this fixing the problem? no.

Drugs are bad M'Kay is unfortunately the same dumbed down mantra as speed kills - anyone with half a braincell can work out that these statements aren't 100% correct, but it requires just that: half a braincell which would exclude about half the population so the only option is to have these draconian policies and campaigns so that even the most half-witted simpleton can understand.

It's like a lot of things. Fuck up and everyone wants to make things safer because someone was able to fuck up . In the process, we criminalise way too many people and shrug our shoulders as if that's the only way it can be.

There is a link, I agree wholly... after all, you gotz to pay fer yer habit. Legalising drugs won't do that on its own, it will make a small dent, but the criminals "stealing" to feed their habit will do so irrespective of legality. One of the many reasons I favour an R.B.E. is that it removes the financial element and therefore the need for a drug addict to steal from someone else when the drugs are free. No internment and no "victims". But hey, peeps is too fucked in the head to realise that as the most likely outcome... something I refer to as fact .

If you meant that it's the users' definition of working that's important, then I agree. Too many folk believe that they have a higher (pun intended) claim to what the addict puts in their body, than the addict. They even make laws to make their disapproval cost the addict. I think such a bit fuckin cheeky actually... but when said addict is ready to quit, it ain't like we make it easy, especially if they have a criminal record. Meh. No R.B.E., good luck with dealing that that little issue too. Especially as the definition of "criminal" is changing all the time.

Ach people understand all too well. They break the law for a great many reasons, and all do it irrespective of education. We've come a long way from thou shalt not steal. Now we have definitions that legitimise theft... everyone knows from a moral standpoint that a theft has taken place, but under man's law, if you find a definition that legitimises that theft you're home and hosed. The vast majority of us know when we are committing a morally questionable act, and I don't see anything immoral when it comes to many things drug related. It ain't about education, it's about what can be gotten away with and draconian policy protects its own interests.

I'm actually for the death penalty. 3 strikes for "minor" (non-financially related i.e. moral) crimes with varying sentences before you're out... and for "major" crimes we go 1 "looooooong" jail term and anything after that, death. I'd also like a "new" contraption to be used. A simple board with holes drilled through, line the person up against the board and tie 5 wires around their torso. One around the neck, one through each armpit and one across the top of each thigh. Attach the ends of the wires to a drag car... and pull.

[scumdog]

Think on this. For every drug addict that commits a crime, there are thousands out there who don't. How can you then go on and blame drugs?

Sorta the same logic with gun ownership control...

[mashman]

Sorta the same logic with gun ownership control...

Very true in many ways... although it's nice to know that a gun hasn't gone astray .

[husaberg]

Very true in many ways... although it's nice to know that a gun hasn't gone astray .

Or your toddler has got into your stash...........

The OP was what would justify a death sentence I don't think anyone has yet suggested dope possession.

I note that of the Bali 9 only two were sentenced to death, as they were the ring leaders.
I also note it was for 8.3 kg (18 lb) of heroin from Indonesia to Australia. Not for a few doobies.

[mashman]

Or your toddler has got into your stash...........

Kidz gotta disco too ya know. Keeping it out of reach would be good, but shit happens sometimes and some adults do get careless. Then again, kid could be selling it at school.

The OP was what would justify a death sentence I don't think anyone has suggested dope possession.

I note that of the Bali 9 only two were sentenced to death, as they were the ring leaders.
I also note it was for 8.3 kg (18 lb) of heroin from Indonesia to Australia. Not for a few doobies.

I thought I covered that with the 3,2,1 thing?

To suit mans law. For no other reason. (for every kg that doesn't get through, how many do?) Mans laws = silly vagina.

[Big Dog]

what a fuken jew.


What's the 'safe' dose of alcohol, btw?

Granted that can be quite variable by weight and gender.
I never actually came out in defence of alcohol either.
The best answer is - Somewhere further along than stupefying, to the point that unless you are actually trying to be a fool / show off you can't drink fast enough to be fatal. Binge drinking is not normal and should be regarded in the same way as any other stuidity.

lets say you purchased a metric cup each of spirts, weed and meth.
Which one would you feel righ about giving to your lover and requiring him or her to finish it in 4 hours?

So, there we have it. Not by any means a scientific answer but I do believe we are all still waiting for SmokeU and your self to come clean on what a safe dose of meth is?


P.S. I am the wrong guy for that target too. I probably drink less per annum than it would be safe for me to drink in a single session.
As a teen / early twenties this was not true. But then I grew up.

[Akzle]

Granted that can be quite variable by weight and gender.
I never actually came out in defence of alcohol either.
The best answer is - Somewhere further along than stupefying, to the point that unless you are actually trying to be a fool / show off you can't drink fast enough to be fatal. Binge drinking is not normal and should be regarded in the same way as any other stuidity.

lets say you purchased a metric cup each of spirts, weed and meth.
Which one would you feel righ about giving to your lover and requiring him or her to finish it in 4 hours?

So, there we have it. Not by any means a scientific answer but I do believe we are all still waiting for SmokeU and your self to come clean on what a safe dose of meth is?


P.S. I am the wrong guy for that target too. I probably drink less per annum than it would be safe for me to drink in a single session.
As a teen / early twenties this was not true. But then I grew up.

weed.



So now what?

[Akzle]

a 'safe' dose of meth is subjective. As a 'safe' dose of tramadol. (hi(gh) ed!), or a safe dose of heroin/morphine, or coffee, or sugar (srsly, how many suffer sugar sickness/diabetes nowtimes?) or flourine, or ppm of diesel particulates, or voc, or, or, or.

Who gets to decide the 'safe' exposure limits?

[Katman]

Or your toddler has got into your stash...........

They should be safe as long as they can't roll a doobie.

They could eat it - but it wouldn't do them shit.