Forum whore
Its not so much the Police they bag as also the Justice system. Because there is a social contract that we have. We give the system powers and they protect us from the baddies and come up with ways to manage the baddies in return for us not asking you to kill arseholes.... In this case (and others) it didn't work and we want a refund and since you can bring her back to life.... Um - well fuck it... Lets just review the whole thing...Originally Posted by scumdog
Anorak
Far as I know it is the Corrections Department that assumes responsibility of people on Parole? rather then Police?
It looks like with the supervision order set to the maxium it looks like there was grave concerns he would re offend Again nothing to do with the Police.
It has to be considered while he was locked away for such a short time in the first place again nothing to do with the Police
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note This judgment was delivered by Justice Wylie
on 19 February 2014 at 4.00 pm
Pursuant to r 11.5 of the High Court Rules
It is noteworthy that Keane J declined a request by the Crown to sentence Mr Robertson to preventive detention, noting that the Court’s ability to impose an extended supervision order upon his release was a relevant factor in determining whether a non-finite sentence was appropriate
Ms Tolond is a qualified registered psychologist
She detailed Mr Robertson’s pattern of offending and concluded that he displays a tendency to use violence, both instrumentally, and reactively. Having considered Mr Robertson’s criminal history, I agree with that comment. Ms Tolond considered that Mr Robertson’s move to sexual offending increased the risk he poses to the community. Again, I agree with this comment.
She recorded that Mr Robertson does not accept that he sexually offended against the victim, and that he has not accepted any responsibility for his actions. He has manifested no empathy for the victims, and he became agitated when he was questioned in regard to these matters. She noted that Mr Robertson’s lack of remorse, penchant for externalising responsibility, and ongoing sense of entitlement, appear to be part of an enduring personality pattern, whereby he blames and holds others accountable for his behaviour.
verall, Ms Tolond signalled there is a high risk that Mr Robertson will engage in relevant sexual offending on his release. She considered that his sexual reoffending is likely to place female children who are unknown to him, including those in public places, at risk of abduction, indecent assault, or further sexual offences.
On 6 January 2014, Mr Robertson was convicted for breaching his parole conditions by failing to comply with the house rules imposed by the Prisoners Aid and Rehabilitation Society which was providing him with accommodation.
is also charged that on 16 January 2014, Mr Robertson, despite a previous warning, was in a public park. The Parole Board required as a condition of his release that he should not enter a public park or reserve or other place where children were likely to congregate, unless he was under direct supervision at the time. Mr Robertson has denied this breach.
There is a real and ongoing risk that cannot sensibly be ignored, having regard to the nature and gravity of the likely offending. In my judgment, an extended supervision order should be made.
Mr Robertson was released from custody on 11 December 2013, notwithstanding that the statutory release date was 14 December 2013. The statutory conditions of release, and the conditions imposed by the Parole Board, run from the statutory release date, as opposed to his actual release date. Hence, the conditions imposed run through until 14 June 2014.
Kinky is using a feather. Perverted is using the whole chicken
Just faidin away!
When is capital punishment ever justifiable?
When it is somebody else!
When it is someone that you don't know personally - someone who you don't ever have to meet face to face and look in the eye and say - I voted yes! -
Very few people who vote yes have got the balls to carry their opinions to the the final conclusion! -- IMO anyway!
Many people probably think their meat and poultry simply comes as is from the supermarket -- (Killing can be a very messy business - both mentally and physically for some!)
Hardcore Biker
I am not logically convinced that the death penalty for somebody who has egregiously murdered somebody else, should be painless for that guilty somebody.
Yes it shouldn't be unnecessarily painful; but given that the end result is to remove a murderous piece of fleshware from the environment to prevent him or her from killing again... why is it necessarily a moral problem if that person's exit from the planet is painful (especially considering how often these pieces of trash cause immense suffering to their victims).
Discuss...
Rasta Ratskins
The mental torment of being sentenced to die would be enough I would have thought. Wouldn't inducing a deliberately painful death on someone make you a sadist?
Only a Rat can win a Rat Race!
Hardcore Biker
I politely disagree. These people sentenced other people to die without any appreciable mental torment, indeed, often they have demonstrated mental enjoyment. I don't want their death to be deliberately / avoidably painful - that would be state-sanctioned sadism indeed - but I will not lose any sleep about their death being unavoidably painful. Actions (such as those that murderers employ) need to have consequences, otherwise they are self-reinforcing. Or do you think that Blessie's killer, given only 10 years of enforced lodging at our expense, is forever cured of the desire to rape and kill?
Anarchic Wild Child
If we say that killing people is wrong, then why would we insist on killing people as a punishment? Killing people is wrong ..
"So if you meet me, have some sympathy, have some courtesy, have some taste ..."
Rasta Ratskins
I have no problem with guys like ( can we say his name yet?) getting a bullet, longdrop, etc but was just making the point that I don't believe that it should be made a physically painful death.
Only a Rat can win a Rat Race!
Forum whore
Try not to think of it as a punishment. Think of it as a solution.
Anarchic Wild Child
If killing people is wrong, the killing people is not a solution.
"So if you meet me, have some sympathy, have some courtesy, have some taste ..."
Anorak
If killing people is wrong, preventing them from killing other people by taking their life is a solution.
Locking them away indefinitely, is mere avoidance/hiding from the real issue.
Kinky is using a feather. Perverted is using the whole chicken
The Majestic Metal Wizard
If you are torturing someone to death (which was fairly common place world wide until about 100-200 years ago) then IMO it is state sponsored revenge (punishing them for their crimes). I myself don't believe the state should acting in such a manner.
Although that said, when you read of what some people do to others, particularly to children, it does sometimes provide a very convincing argument to relax this viewpoint....
I believe the Death Penalty should be used to remove people from society permenantly who pose such a risk of re-offending (serial killers, Pedophiles, serial rapists) and such a disregard for their fellow humans that the danger requires them to be executed.
In this case, the Killing is merely incidental and as such should be quick, efficient and without malice.
Physics; Thou art a cruel, heartless Bitch-of-a-Mistress
Anarchic Wild Child
What?? On the basis that two wrongs make a right ???
Yeah right ....
Killing people, whether it is murder or state-sanctioned execution, is still wrong ..
"So if you meet me, have some sympathy, have some courtesy, have some taste ..."
Anorak
So an individual who breaks societies rules has implied rights, that actually outweigh the rights of all other innocent members of society.
Seems a bit slanted to much towards the rights of the guilty to enjoy life against those that are innocent right to live out there own life.
Odd that some claim they have the right to enjoy the protection of society when they are unable to obey the simple rules of one.
Kinky is using a feather. Perverted is using the whole chicken
Anarchic Wild Child
Yes - but if society decrees that it is wrong to kill people then surely it is wrong to kill people ... it's about consistency of the "rules" ...
You seem to want to argue that it is wrong to kill people - but under some circumstances it is right to kill people ...
It has nothing to do with so-called "rights' nor is it slanted to protect the guilty ... It's about a moral rule ..
(Oh yeah .. and I don't expect protection from society - I expect to live by my rules ... and if I am in conflict with society then so be it ... and yes, that might even lead to jail time .. hasn't yet ... )
"So if you meet me, have some sympathy, have some courtesy, have some taste ..."
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