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    Quote Originally Posted by BMWST? View Post
    if a vehicle is parked in a parking space it is a fair assumption that it was "operated" to get there is it not?If it was conveyed there in some sort of manner which is not normal "operation" then i guess it is up to the "operator" to convey that information to TPTB.
    Exactly it's assumed with time of operation being completely incorrect; the onus of proof should never be on the accused but the accuser else why shouldn't I claim you owe me money for the mowing of your lawns & let you prove I didn't at your cost...
    They also have no proof it hasn't been sitting there for months maybee since before wof/reg ran out (In Lower Hutt wardens venture beyond paid/timed parking to harass people for cash moneys)
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    Just a wee clip from the Land Tranport Act 1998.

    operate, in relation to a vehicle, means to drive or use the vehicle on a road, or to cause or permit the vehicle to be on a road or to be driven on a road, whether or not the person is present with the vehicle; and operator has a corresponding meaning

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    Quote Originally Posted by rastuscat View Post
    Just a wee clip from the Land Tranport Act 1998.

    operate, in relation to a vehicle, means to drive or use the vehicle on a road, or to cause or permit the vehicle to be on a road or to be driven on a road, whether or not the person is present with the vehicle; and operator has a corresponding meaning
    I like how they just make up meanings...
    Well given that, should we go into what a "road" is & how it's therefore impossible to comply with the legislation at all times, or how dirt bikes are just unlawful
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scuba_Steve View Post
    I like how they just make up meanings...
    Well given that, should we go into what a "road" is
    They provide definitions so that judges don't have to decide for themselves.

    Regarding Road, here's what the Act says

    road includes—
    (a)
    a street; and
    (b)
    a motorway; and
    (c)
    a beach; and
    (d)
    a place to which the public have access, whether as of right or not; and
    (e)
    all bridges, culverts, ferries, and fords forming part of a road or street or motorway, or a place referred to in paragraph (d); and
    (f)
    all sites at which vehicles may be weighed for the purposes of this Act or any other enactment

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    Quote Originally Posted by rastuscat View Post
    They provide definitions so that judges don't have to decide for themselves.

    Regarding Road, here's what the Act says

    road includes—
    (a)
    a street; and
    (b)
    a motorway; and
    (c)
    a beach; and
    (d)
    a place to which the public have access, whether as of right or not; and
    (e)
    all bridges, culverts, ferries, and fords forming part of a road or street or motorway, or a place referred to in paragraph (d); and
    (f)
    all sites at which vehicles may be weighed for the purposes of this Act or any other enactment
    Operate (without making up meanings) is pretty simple & dictionaries would give actual meanings if in doubt
    My comment about the roads was more about how vague they've gone & defined it, I already knew their definition hence the "impossible to comply with the legislation at all times, or how dirt bikes are just unlawful".
    They could of really saved space & simplified things by going "Road includes - Everywhere"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scuba_Steve View Post
    Exactly it's assumed with time of operation being completely incorrect; the onus of proof should never be on the accused but the accuser else why shouldn't I claim you owe me money for the mowing of your lawns & let you prove I didn't at your cost...
    They also have no proof it hasn't been sitting there for months maybee since before wof/reg ran out (In Lower Hutt wardens venture beyond paid/timed parking to harass people for cash moneys)
    it wont have been parked in any patrolled area for days,the parking wardens will be around in a matter of hours for say areas of 2 hour parking.I say it is a fair assumption.If you have grounds for dismissal you must present that case,not ask for the oversight to be disregarded.The use of a motor vehicle on the road is a privelige not a right.To use said roads you must meet certain requirements,the display of "rego" being one of them.Dont like it,dont use the roads,and dont bleat when you get caught disregarding those requirements.And yes i have paid a 200 dollar fine for not having current rego.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BMWST? View Post
    it wont have been parked in any patrolled area for days,the parking wardens will be around in a matter of hours for say areas of 2 hour parking.I say it is a fair assumption.If you have grounds for dismissal you must present that case,not ask for the oversight to be disregarded.The use of a motor vehicle on the road is a privelige not a right.To use said roads you must meet certain requirements,the display of "rego" being one of them.Dont like it,dont use the roads,and dont bleat when you get caught disregarding those requirements.And yes i have paid a 200 dollar fine for not having current rego.
    Maybee you missed the part where they come round non paid/timed areas; where I work there is no time limits, no paid parking & shit tonne of parking yet we see 1 of these weasels on a bi-monthly basis (NOT 2 hourly, daily or even weekly)
    Also the definition of "road" is so vague it includes, well, everywhere! including your front lawn/driveway; admittedly they don't target these areas but the definition includes them thus you'd be liable for having a non-compliant vehicle parked there
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swoop View Post
    Need to keep an eye out for the dodgy practices of the parking wardens too. This is why you cannot safely attach a paper parking ticket that you purchase from a "pay & display" ticket machine.
    Photo(s) of attached ticket (including close up with date/times showing) on your phone at least provides proof if needed. What's the potential damage cost wise of having to go through the "here's my proof [phone pic] that I paid for that parking space"? (never had to do it...yet... myself).

    Hope the rider dobbed that guy into his boss regardless of the ticket being begrudgingly stuck back on! (I would like to think that the warden was an anomaly, but the cynical side of me is happy that photo evidence is readily available c/- Mr iPhone, Samsung etc.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by PrincessBandit View Post
    Photo(s) of attached ticket (including close up with date/times showing) on your phone at least provides proof if needed. What's the potential damage cost wise of having to go through the "here's my proof [phone pic] that I paid for that parking space"? (never had to do it...yet... myself).

    Hope the rider dobbed that guy into his boss regardless of the ticket being begrudgingly stuck back on! (I would like to think that the warden was an anomaly, but the cynical side of me is happy that photo evidence is readily available c/- Mr iPhone, Samsung etc.)
    cool so i take a pic of my mates ticket and heres my proof mister. thankfully anywhere i have parked my bike that is bike parking is non metered and i avoid pay and display

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    Quote Originally Posted by russd7 View Post
    cool so i take a pic of my mates ticket and heres my proof mister.
    Guess there are plenty of riders (and drivers) who are equally dishonest when it comes to getting around parking issues eh.
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