Flag?

**Voltaire** · 13th December 2015, 18:51

They should have declared a republic first and got rid of the Queen and her tribe of hangers on based on a medieval system from 12 000 miles away....but hang on ...that would

mean the end to Knighthoods and all the other trappings that the National Govt and all their landowning, Jobs-for-the-boys cronies love.

Flags are just a distraction to the real issues of selling NZ by the square metre to the highest bidder.

**Tazz** · 13th December 2015, 19:13

Originally Posted by MarkH

At least the design we get to vote on in March is not very similar to any other nations flag, it would stand out well as a flag for our nation.
Obviously the Maori flag is already taken so I don't see the country has any right to appropriate that one to use as the nations flag.

Yes it is.

If you want to be first to throw a leaf on a flag you've missed the boat

I never advocated using the Maori flag, I just said it was a design that was pleasing to the eye.

Due to how we all ended up here, the Southern Cross has more of a link between early Polynesian and later Western Settlers than you give it credit me thinks. Doesn't mean it has to be on our flag, but historically speaking it's been rather important

I relate to that more than a sportsing logo, though I do love other fern and koru designs out there (not flag ones, just in general).

Ah well, it is what it is, but I don't think it will change and I won't be voting for it to either.

Now if we'd rolled with the laser eyed Kiwi....

**MarkH** · 13th December 2015, 19:24

Originally Posted by Tazz

Yes it is.

If you want to be first to throw a leaf on a flag you've missed the boat

If you think our proposed flag is similar enough to the Canadian flag so that some may be confused and mistake one for the other then I doubt any flag would be unique enough for you!
I personally can't see that the proposed flag looks even slightly similar to the Canadian one and I can't think of any nations flag that looks vaguely close enough to cause any confusion between the two.

On the other hand - our current flag looks an awful lot like Australia's flag. We can't vote to make the Aussies change theirs, but we can vote to change ours and I don't believe that the Aussies would turn around and change their flag to be almost like our new one.

I'll vote to change flags because I like the proposed one more than the current one and I'm not sure we'll get another chance to change flags in my lifetime.

**Tazz** · 13th December 2015, 19:32

Originally Posted by MarkH

If you think our proposed flag is similar enough to the Canadian flag so that some may be confused and mistake one for the other then I doubt any flag would be unique enough for you!
I personally can't see that the proposed flag looks even slightly similar to the Canadian one and I can't think of any nations flag that looks vaguely close enough to cause any confusion between the two.

On the other hand - our current flag looks an awful lot like Australia's flag. We can't vote to make the Aussies change theirs, but we can vote to change ours and I don't believe that the Aussies would turn around and change their flag to be almost like our new one.

I'll vote to change flags because I like the proposed one more than the current one and I'm not sure we'll get another chance to change flags in my lifetime.

No visually similar, but concept. Unlike punga, maples are a pretty simple beast to deal with though

To me a national flag is not really an area where being exceptionally different and unnecessary busy or complicated for the sake of it is a good thing.

Being similar to Aus is a little annoying but we've both managed OK for over 100 years now. It's better than using the Union Jack like we did before then.

**Erelyes** · 14th December 2015, 06:58

While we're picking holes in designs, if we were going from a blank slate our current flag wouldn't have even got a look in the door. 'Dafuq are you putting a Union Jack on it for?'

The 'it looks like a logo' argument is ridiculous. So do many flags, as they share similar design objectives. I think logo design probably owes more to vexillology than vice versa.

**Voltaire** · 14th December 2015, 08:59

Originally Posted by Erelyes

While we're picking holes in designs, if we were going from a blank slate our current flag wouldn't have even got a look in the door. 'Dafuq are you putting a Union Jack on it for?'

The 'it looks like a logo' argument is ridiculous. So do many flags, as they share similar design objectives. I think logo design probably owes more to vexillology than vice versa.

Blank Canvas....hmmmm

Why do we drive on the left when mostly people drive on the right.

Christmas....what a dumb name for a month of shopping, eating and drinking

Dunedin....sounds like a mix of Dundee and Edinborough.... Suggest its put back to its original name of Otakou.

English.... lets get rid of that...

**Erelyes** · 14th December 2015, 09:27