Flag?

**MarkH** · 17th February 2016, 13:07

Yet another supporter of a flag change: https://www.facebook.com/haydenpaddonwrc/?fref=nf

I suspect quite a high percentage of kiwis that travel overseas would support a change of flag, most that oppose the change have no idea of what a crappy flag ours is on the international stage. I've yet to hear even ONE compelling argument for retaining our current flag.

I've also not yet come across anything that leads me to believe there is any link between the flag thing and the TPPA thing.

**Akzle** · 17th February 2016, 13:14

Originally Posted by MarkH

Yet another supporter of a flag change: https://www.facebook.com/haydenpaddonwrc/?fref=nf

I suspect quite a high percentage of kiwis that travel overseas would support a change of flag, most that oppose the change have no idea of what a crappy flag ours is on the international stage. I've yet to hear even ONE compelling argument for retaining our current flag.

I've also not yet come across anything that leads me to believe there is any link between the flag thing and the TPPA thing.

well, if the good shepherd hayden paddon says so!

..........BAAAAAAAAAA

"what a crappy flag"..... Seriously, who gives THAT much of a fuck what rag the government flap???
This whole debacle is so much nothing (except legitimising an illegitimate occupying force) how ANYONE can give half a shit about the teatowel fucking astounds me. Is there so little going on in your life?

And, if they dont change the flag, go against your wishes, are you going to either fuck off to another country, or kill yourself?

No? Didn't fucken think so.

**MarkH** · 17th February 2016, 14:17

Originally Posted by Akzle

Is there so little going on in your life?

Better to care about our nations flag than to post in a flag thread on the internet about not caring about the flag - now THAT is a real sign of little going on in YOUR life!

**Akzle** · 17th February 2016, 14:52

Originally Posted by MarkH

Better to care about our nations flag than to post in a flag thread on the internet about not caring about the flag - now THAT is a real sign of little going on in YOUR life!

MY nation's flag???

who is claiming to be MY nation now???

**oldrider** · 17th February 2016, 15:35

Just a thought - bet they still continue to post up Australia's flag instead of ours - even after our flag has been changed it's just the way it is!

**gjm** · 17th February 2016, 15:36

Originally Posted by MarkH

I've yet to hear even ONE compelling argument for retaining our current flag.

Aside from the oft-mentioned waste of money...

Anyone got a compelling argument for changing it? Other than that some overseas fuckwits who have no impact on us can't tell the difference between four and five stars? Besides, Oz got their flag after NZ.

**MarkH** · 17th February 2016, 15:52

Originally Posted by gjm

Aside from the oft-mentioned waste of money...

Anyone got a compelling argument for changing it? Other than that some overseas fuckwits who have no impact on us can't tell the difference between four and five stars? Besides, Oz got their flag after NZ.

The fact that Oz changed to their flag after we changed to ours - how exactly is that relevant?
Or are you thinking that we have some way of forcing Aussie to change their flag? Because I'm pretty sure that we don't.

Calling overseas people that see a similar flag and don't notice the differences fuckwits may or may not be fair, but I don't see how it is relevant either, the fact that our national flag isn't as easily recognizable as it could be is what matters and surely that is at least some of the point in having a flag?

Waste of money? Don't make me laugh, the cost of this is a pittance in terms of government spending of tax payers money.

**Akzle** · 17th February 2016, 17:24

Originally Posted by MarkH

Waste of money? Don't make me laugh, the cost of this is a pittance in terms of government spending of tax payers money.

yet it's THIS that you focus attention on

**PrincessBandit** · 17th February 2016, 17:49

I just hope the outcome of the vote is a fricken land slide - one way or the other - to get the bloody thing over and done with. Heaven help us if the vote count is close (or even moderately close) 'cos it'll drag out for who knows how long until those who are determined to change it finally get their way.

**bogan** · 17th February 2016, 17:57

Originally Posted by gjm

Aside from the oft-mentioned waste of money...

Anyone got a compelling argument for changing it? Other than that some overseas fuckwits who have no impact on us can't tell the difference between four and five stars? Besides, Oz got their flag after NZ.

Oz one has six, just for those local fuckwits who can't tell the difference

**gjm** · 17th February 2016, 18:16

Originally Posted by bogan

Oz one has six, just for those local fuckwits who can't tell the difference

That'll be me.

Can't say I've ever had much interest in the west island flag. I just know it's not the Kiwi one.

**gjm** · 17th February 2016, 18:22

Originally Posted by MarkH

Waste of money? Don't make me laugh, the cost of this is a pittance in terms of government spending of tax payers money.

Please - don't get me started. I don't have enough life left to list all the things, individually or collectively, that could have usefully received some or all of the $26m wasted on this ridiculous charade. We'll start with DHBs who can't update essential patient care equipment (I know of a specific example where less than $10m is required, and the government replied "we can't afford it"), move past conservation projects that have failed for lack of available funding, and on to a driver education plan to improve road safety that won't happen.

Then there's the 10s of millions that will be needed to actually change the flag.

I wonder where all the new flags would be made?

That said,

Originally Posted by PrincessBandit

I just hope the outcome of the vote is a fricken land slide - one way or the other - to get the bloody thing over and done with. Heaven help us if the vote count is close (or even moderately close) 'cos it'll drag out for who knows how long until those who are determined to change it finally get their way.

I absolutely agree.

**bogan** · 17th February 2016, 18:27

Originally Posted by gjm

Please - don't get me started. I don't have enough life left to list all the things, individually or collectively, that could have usefully received some or all of the $26m wasted on this ridiculous charade.

Like a coffee for every NZ'r? oh wait, it wouldn't even stretch that far...

I bet that 10mil is in a different budget allocation from the 26 though...

**Ocean1** · 17th February 2016, 18:43

Originally Posted by gjm

Please - don't get me started. I don't have enough life left to list all the things, individually or collectively, that could have usefully received some or all of the $26m wasted on this ridiculous charade. We'll start with DHBs who can't update essential patient care equipment (I know of a specific example where less than $10m is required, and the government replied "we can't afford it"), move past conservation projects that have failed for lack of available funding, and on to a driver education plan to improve road safety that won't happen.

Oh for fuck's sake, your desperate health budget is a record 15.6 BILLION dollars.

And compared to what some of the rest of it's spent on $26M for a flag referendum is a fucking bargain.