Flag?

[mada]

In regards to WW1 - many kiwi's knew which flag they wanted to represent them.

WW1 - 1917 Passchendaele / Ypres - funeral of Lt. Colonel George Augustus King

[Ocean1]

We need to spend millions on a new flag to supposedly reflect our identity (when the majority don't have any problem with the present one)... but we'll still keep spending millions on royal visits too and keep the Queen as our head of state.

If it's going to be anything else it should be the original flag Aotearoa had back in 1835:



But that would cause too much butthurt to many Pakeha.

I could live with that, given that it's the united tribes of New Zealand flag. Except it's ugly.

On the other hand, how many Maori might be caused butthurt by Pakeha "assuming ownership" of their flag?

[Smifffy]

The NZ referendum voting public will vote whichever way their favourite talkback host, newspaper, manufactured celebrity, or politician tells them to.

[mada]

Plus it looks fucking ugly.

True that.

I quite like this one which really reflects our strong sovereignty and fortitude at the moment

[PrincessBandit]

If we are to have a new one I could live with this.

Funny you post a pic of that one - I was going to. I rather like it, if we had to change I too could live with that. Still prefer the blue but then the red white and black of the tino rangatiratanga colours would be missing.
Maybe black would be ok as long as we don't get mistaken for they-who-shall-not-be-named...

[awa355]

I had understood that Key had bought a new flag back from the states, a gift from the white house. Lots of red, white and blues stripes on it with heaps of neat stars twinkling up in one corner.

[jonbuoy]

Change it - the existing one bores me and does not reflect NZ.

He waits for the Poms to chime in ....... I respond in advance - if the motherland is so great why are you in NZ?

Change it.

They won´t. I doubt it will get more than a sound bite on the UK news.

[Grumph]

I had understood that Key had bought a new flag back from the states, a gift from the white house. Lots of red, white and blues stripes on it with heaps of neat stars twinkling up in one corner.

Could be a conflict of interest there...I hear McCully is bringing one back with him from China....

[MisterD]

He waits for the Poms to chime in ....... I respond in advance - if the motherland is so great why are you in NZ?

Married a Kiwi that I met in London and got imported. Plus the Motherland had been completely fucked over Blair's mob and Clark hadn't managed to wreck NZ quite so conclusively.

I don't know why we're bothering to discuss this though, if the referendum rejects a change, our self-appointed elites will keep asking the question until we give the "right" answer. That's why the two polls are structured like they are, it maximises the change of a change.

The Union flag is a symbol of the past in both countries though, so may as well get it over with and start getting used to whatever maorified corporate brand we get stuck with.

[Asher]

I couldn't care what the flag looks like, it's nothing more than an international name tag.
What pisses me off is that changing the flag is completely unnecessary. The government is facing a stalling economy, increasing debt, loss of sovereign rights, dilution of democracy, increasing inequality, unaffordable housing and much more yet they are brushing these much more important issues under the carpet and instead focusing on this bullshit.

[Banditbandit]

In regards to WW1 - many kiwi's knew which flag they wanted to represent them.

Kiwi soldiers fought "for God, King and Country".

The idea of "fighting for the flag" comes from the US of 'merika ...

[Oscar]

We need to spend millions on a new flag to supposedly reflect our identity (when the majority don't have any problem with the present one)... but we'll still keep spending millions on royal visits too and keep the Queen as our head of state.

If it's going to be anything else it should be the original flag Aotearoa had back in 1835:


But that would cause too much butthurt to many Pakeha.

I like it.

[Reckless]

Don't mind a change fresh start and all, commonwealth is dead these days the world has changed.
We can still remember the fallen under the old and new flags on special days and educate our kids (as the 100th anniversary has just proved).

I'm up for a change. Don't mind the Fern its better than a blind near extinct bird.
I dont think the All Blacks think the fern is their brand I think they it is a symbol of our country on their breasts.
And by all accounts they have done us proud over the years and portrayed our symbol in the highest regard as all/most teams have.
To have it on the flag and emblazoned on the shirts of our champions is a good thing imho

Just hope some arty farty dickhead doesnt pick something for all the wrong reasons that 70% of us hate?

Quite like this Idea. Simple effective, Blue of the sea, our fern, Southern cross on the black we seem to have inherited/choosen as our colour, modern, everlasting. Done

[puddytat]

Quite like this Idea

Best one so far....

[Voltaire]

How come one news item says the flag belongs in the colonial past....then spends the next ten minutes on a new princess.....make up your fecking minds.

We should ask the Chinese Govt what they would like as we seem to tiptoe round them.

+1 on the fern/Southern Cross one if we have to change.