Are you still bitter I red'd you for off topic thread posting?Originally Posted by puddytat
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Are you still bitter I red'd you for off topic thread posting?
"A shark on whiskey is mighty risky, but a shark on beer is a beer engineer" - Tad Ghostal
Hardcore Biker
I'm actually quite pro changing the flag, time for something different and been too long with the old one, time for a change !
Problem I have is the options presented leave me cold and the final option is merely a tea-towel lying on it's side, or even a big beach towel. A good T-shirt design ? As a National flag however it's a 2D joke. The rest of the world must be laughing at New Zealand...
Might look good on a cake tin but I'm voting for the status quo, JK can only blame himself
Just faidin away!
What is it they say? - laugh and the world laughs with you! - sounds like a success story in the making.
Hardcore Biker
I chuckled earlier... After some of the comments that suggested I was anti-flag change because I'm anti-John Key, I read in the press that John Key feels people might vote for the old flag for political reasons. "Critics of the Government should not vote against changing the flag solely to spite them," Key said.
Presumably talk of Republics and suchlike are also not political methods of persuasion!
Lol.
Can I vote yet?
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Yeh, I dropped him a txtI chuckled earlier... After some of the comments that suggested I was anti-flag change because I'm anti-John Key, I read in the press that John Key feels people might vote for the old flag for political reasons. "Critics of the Government should not vote against changing the flag solely to spite them," Key said.
Presumably talk of Republics and suchlike are also not political methods of persuasion!
Lol.
Can I vote yet?
"A shark on whiskey is mighty risky, but a shark on beer is a beer engineer" - Tad Ghostal
Anarchic Wild Child
Yes .. and many people will feel exactly the same .. which is why we will not get a flag change ..
"So if you meet me, have some sympathy, have some courtesy, have some taste ..."
Hardcore Biker
Someone else's opinion.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post...nging-the-flag
Which pretty much covers it for me.
When is March 4th, again? Friday?
Bogeyman
I thought your reasons to keep the old flag had nothing to do with your dislike of JK or National.Someone else's opinion.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post...nging-the-flag
Which pretty much covers it for me.
When is March 4th, again? Friday?
Only that's exactly the reason you just agreed matched yours.
Go soothingly on the grease mud, as there lurks the skid demon
Hardcore Biker
There's 11 points listed. One of them - point number 2 - does (on reflection) suggest what you say. I'd not taken that into account when posting the link.
I'll not amend my post now, but perhaps I should have said that I feel points 1, and 3 thru 11, make a good case for keeping the current flag over the alternative which will be shown on the voting papers issued later this week.
Just faidin away!
Mmm-kay - Posts 652 - 654 above make a lot of sense and the 11 points just about sum up my feelings bout this flag fiesto - can't actually see the change happening!
If the change does take place I can live with it but would totally suspect foul play was involved in the process somewhere and will be ironing my best tin foil hat!
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1) is irrelevent, as the national consensus is about to be checked.There's 11 points listed. One of them - point number 2 - does (on reflection) suggest what you say. I'd not taken that into account when posting the link.
I'll not amend my post now, but perhaps I should have said that I feel points 1, and 3 thru 11, make a good case for keeping the current flag over the alternative which will be shown on the voting papers issued later this week.
3) makes no mention of the flag historian on board the panel, nor of those with design experience (albeit not flags, specifically); nor is adding a flag at the last minute due to public support a farce, it shows the ability to listen to the people
4) either way, the 26mil is spent; so change is not a waste. The cost to change all flags after the fact (if so decided) is a cost, not a waste; waste implies a judgement already formed.
5) then lets have the republic discussion; whether we change the flag or not will obviously have some bearing on that discussion, but not having discussed it is no reason to not change our flag.
6) personal judgement only
7) answered its own question, the silver fern is not an option...
8) maori symbolism was put forward, the people chose other symbolism instead
9) it was chosen, thus popular with the people
10) this is a valid point, somewhat mitigated by the time such people had to put in their designs for consideration though
11) is much like 2 actually, why worry who promotoes it, or how irritating the campaign was.
So really, 1(ish) out of 11 isn't too bad?
There is one reason to keep the current flag, and one reason to change it; it's a personal judgement call. Which flag do you think is the best symbol for New Zealand?
Interesting to note, it's the anti-changers who are playing the most smarmy political games, with all these other bullshit reasons (as above) while JK's camp put forward points focused on that one reason.
"A shark on whiskey is mighty risky, but a shark on beer is a beer engineer" - Tad Ghostal
Hardcore Biker
[John Key] "sounds like he's panicking. He's actually using sort of fear tactics, saying 'this is your last chance if you don't change the flag.'"
"But you know, when you're running with a fetish of a change and the people don't agree with you, including half the people in your political party, then you're on a hiding to nothing frankly."
http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/politi...-scare-tactics
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You know you're doing well when you start quoting winnie[John Key] "sounds like he's panicking. He's actually using sort of fear tactics, saying 'this is your last chance if you don't change the flag.'"
"But you know, when you're running with a fetish of a change and the people don't agree with you, including half the people in your political party, then you're on a hiding to nothing frankly."
http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/politi...-scare-tactics
"Mr Holden said the real problem was the flag debate had become too political."
Btw, you just used the same scare tactic to avoid flag change in you agreement with #10
"A shark on whiskey is mighty risky, but a shark on beer is a beer engineer" - Tad Ghostal
Hardcore Biker
Quoting John Key:
"If they don't vote for change now, they'll never get another chance until we become a republic. They'll wake up in a few months' time and they'll realise what a terrible mistake they made, because it's not going to make a blind bit of difference to me."
Bored Room
A good time to change the flag will be when NZ becomes a republic, probably after Australia.
Oh but that won't happen till John Quay gets his knighthood and cosy job as ambassador somewhere like London or in that flash pad in NY.
DeMyer's Laws - an argument that consists primarily of rambling quotes isn't worth bothering with.
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