Flag?

[AllanB]

If we are to have a new one I could live with this.

I like. Nod to the past and will like cool on our warships.

[oldrider]

Don't mind a change fresh start and all, commonwealth is dead these days the world has changed.
We can still remember the fallen under the old and new flags on special days and educate our kids (as the 100th anniversary has just proved).

I'm up for a change. Don't mind the Fern its better than a blind near extinct bird.
I dont think the All Blacks think the fern is their brand I think they it is a symbol of our country on their breasts.
And by all accounts they have done us proud over the years and portrayed our symbol in the highest regard as all/most teams have.
To have it on the flag and emblazoned on the shirts of our champions is a good thing imho

Just hope some arty farty dickhead doesnt pick something for all the wrong reasons that 70% of us hate?

Quite like this Idea. Simple effective, Blue of the sea, our fern, Southern cross on the black we seem to have inherited/choosen as our colour, modern, everlasting. Done

I rest in the "no need to change it" camp but quite like the so called "Maori flag" and find this one appealing if there must be a change!

Simply don't trust Key motivation for the whole flag change thrust at all - waste of money and time IMHO. There are more important issues!

[Taxythingy]

Don't change the flag - change the government.

(Hint: They are trying to distract you.)

[Taxythingy]

Current flag = some people who don't like it.
New flag = some different people who don't like it.

Achievement = fuck all. Now go sit in front of the telly like a good citizen.

[5ive]

Quite like this Idea.

Best one so far....

Agree

Probably won't get it though, as they'll get some 'politically correct artist' to design something the majority hate.

[PrincessBandit]

Yep, the ole' "can't please all the people all of the time" catch.

Quite frankly I too am in the 'why bother' category; the money is sorely needed elsewhere.

At the end of the day TPTB use the term binding referendum - ha ha ha ha ha what a joke - they've managed to always get to ignore the ones that don't suit them...

[Oscar]

Don't change the flag - change the government.

(Hint: They are trying to distract you.)

Current flag = some people who don't like it.
New flag = some different people who don't like it.

Achievement = fuck all. Now go sit in front of the telly like a good citizen.

Just what we need on this site, another patronizing know-it-all leftie conspracy theorist.
I think the Russian Judge gave you points off for not using the word “sheeple”.

[Taxythingy]

Just what we need on this site, another patronizing know-it-all leftie conspracy theorist.
I think the Russian Judge gave you points off for not using the word “sheeple”.

It was mostly in jest. And I do try to avoid words like 'sheeple' or those with dollar signs in them.

I do think it is a big waste of time, but then I'm mostly in the don't change it camp. Give me a decent alternative and justification, and I will consider it.

[Gadget1]

Yep, the ole' "can't please all the people all of the time" catch.

Quite frankly I too am in the 'why bother' category; the money is sorely needed elsewhere.

At the end of the day TPTB use the term binding referendum - ha ha ha ha ha what a joke - they've managed to always get to ignore the ones that don't suit them...

I'm in the "why bother" category as well. Maybe change the "can't please all the people..." phrase to "We hear the people but do whatever we want anyway".

[Banditbandit]

I'm in the "why bother" category as well. Maybe change the "can't please all the people..." phrase to "We hear the people but do whatever we want anyway".

What if the referendum votes more than 50% to change the flag ???

[FJRider]

What if the referendum votes more than 50% to change the flag ???

As per usual ... the Government has NO obligation (or requirement) to comply with the result of any public referendum ... if it so chooses.

[mada]

Can't afford to feed hungry kids (who have no fault or responsibility for their predicament), but we can afford to feed all the PM's men and a new "nice to have" flag. New Zealand that's what we stand for - fuck yeah!

[mada]

As per usual ... the Government has NO obligation (or requirement) to comply with the result of any public referendum ... if it so chooses.

The government will say the public referendum was the required "consultation" and then push it through under urgency on the basis that the "Canadians" changed theirs without majority support.

[FJRider]

The government will say the public referendum was the required "consultation" and then push it through under urgency on the basis that the "Canadians" changed theirs without majority support.

My point is ... the Government does needs to say anything at all. And can change it (or not) with no public imput/say at all.

And any result from referendums is not binding.

[Oscar]

It was mostly in jest. And I do try to avoid words like 'sheeple' or those with dollar signs in them.

I do think it is a big waste of time, but then I'm mostly in the don't change it camp. Give me a decent alternative and justification, and I will consider it.

I agree with you, it is a complete waste of time, and also indicative that Key has finally lost it.