Flag?

[Ocean1]

Sikhs at the time were Brits, as were Australians and Kiwis, so that point is moot.

And if you look at our flag in a couple of months time you'll see most of 'em think they still are.

[gjm]

http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post...lags-for-years

The alternative flag actually looks quite good in this context.

[Banditbandit]

I wasn't having a go at you, just Belich.

I didn't know he was a member of this forum ..

[Oscar]

I didn't know he was a member of this forum ..

Very funny.
(sigh) I guess it was my own fault for coming back to a thread in the basement after I'd unsubscribed from them all.

[Erelyes]

tinfoil hat?
Derisive attempt on behalf of blind conformists to discredit and stigmatise those who dare to question authority.

[Stylo]

But there has been wide spreed talk of people spoiling their vote, which would add weight to those voting (who wont spoil their vote) for the alternative flag.
My personal view is that, the result will closer than most may think.

And remember you're not voting for what the people of NZ want ( won't call you Kiwi's, a Kiwi is a bloody bird. Call me a New Zealander ).

All New Zealanders had this thrown at them from left field from the Prime Minister, his agenda, not ours.

I'd love a new flag but the option leaves me very cold ....

[Ocean1]

And remember you're not voting for what the people of NZ want ( won't call you Kiwi's, a Kiwi is a bloody bird. Call me a New Zealander ).

All New Zealanders had this thrown at them from left field from the Prime Minister, his agenda, not ours.

I'd love a new flag but the option leaves me very cold ....

Could be worse.

Could have been Helen Clarke that proposed the change.

Oh, wait...

[granstar]

An ANZAC historian on tele the other night (missed the name) has a point. R.S.A could well adapt the current Ensign as a commemorative flag should it be ever be outsted (unlikely).

"Of 10,920 Anzac boys who died at Gallipoli and for neither of the two World Wars it was not under the current flag. The Ensign didn’t officially become the flag until April 14, 1954, was rarely even sighted at Gallipoli — or any of the other bloody killing fields that followed on the Western Front. "

ANZAC War graves " Lest We Forget" have a silver fern.

The guy went on how Canada had used the Maple leaf in a flag change over to give the country an own identity and it certainly does. Maybe a kiwi would represent the country better than a fern? What gets me about this flag change is more about how it has been spoon-fed to us without asking more than the actual flag, and the cost!.

[BrendonF]

Personally the proposed new flag is GAY!! on so many levels. Keep what we have and I am glad our current flag is similar to the Australian flag.

[Erelyes]

Oldrider:

For the purposes of subsection (1), the Electoral Commission must arrange the 2 options on the voting paper in random order.

Entirely sensible, although I'm sure someone can still cook up a conspiracy story.

[oldrider]

Oldrider:

For the purposes of subsection (1), the Electoral Commission must arrange the 2 options on the voting paper in random order.

Entirely sensible, although I'm sure someone can still cook up a conspiracy story.

Relax - as I have said - to me one flag is as good as the next - I have no problem with either one and will accept the winner regardless.

My only real objection is the expense is unwarranted and driven by what I think are a bunch of trendy time-wasters but if the majority think it is OK - that's progress?

I have already voted by not voting and binning the paper - Que sera sera! - Next trendy exercise will be Republic I suppose! - Rust never sleeps!

[gjm]

Given the proposed "new" flag is all-but identical to something used by NZRAF for the last 4+ years (see post #767), why not adopt this?



Instantly identifiable, colours nod to history, unlikely to be mistaken for anything else...

[mashman]

A target with a Kiwi on it? Sends out the wrong message no

[Banditbandit]

Personally the proposed new flag is GAY!! on so many levels. Keep what we have and I am glad our current flag is similar to the Australian flag.

Given that we are celebrating this year the 30th anniversay of the passing of the Homosexual Law reform Bill a gay flag may just fit the bill ...

Oldrider:

For the purposes of subsection (1), the Electoral Commission must arrange the 2 options on the voting paper in random order.

Entirely sensible, although I'm sure someone can still cook up a conspiracy story.

I thought they were in Alphabetic order - Silver Fern (S First) then Union Jack (U second)

[Akzle]

Oldrider:

For the purposes of subsection (1), the Electoral Commission must arrange the 2 options on the voting paper in random order.

Entirely sensible, although I'm sure someone can still cook up a conspiracy story.

ecepting, if talkback is to be believed, the "new flag" was ahead of/above "the old flag" in not less than three instances (voting info literature, ballot etc)