SCU on TV1 - bike vs car fatal

[Latte]

If you can't complete the a move in the time that you have visibility to see, then you can't complete the move safely - Timing or not, pulling out when you can't properly see if it is clear or not seems like it should be illegal...

So the plumber could never leave the drive?

[TheDemonLord]

So the plumber could never leave the drive?

Move down the road on the hard shoulder/verge to a place where you have sufficient visibility to complete the turn safely

[madbikeboy]

That is complete and utter shit.

Aha. Because life is fair. Good guys finish first. People are all kind and honest. Etc. Get real.

[Katman]

Certainly !!!! Sometimes more than 100 ... The advisory speed posted on corners here (Bay of Plenty) is the "maximum comfortable speed for a passenger in the back seat". That has nothing whatsoever to do with road safety and driving to the conditions ...

An advisory speed sign is an indication that you may require a reduction in your speed to safely negotiate the corner.

Blind corners and crests should be treated in the same manner.

[PrincessBandit]

An advisory speed sign is an indication that you may require a reduction in your speed to safely negotiate the corner.

Blind corners and crests should be treated in the same manner.

Don't be so silly; everyone knows that a piece of road you can't see around is always the same as you've always travelled over it before.
I mean, gosh, some people might have to ease up on the throttle for what ends up being no particular reason!!

All comes down to people making assumptions - and we all know what they can lead to*...(but because I didn't crash into anything over a blind crest 99 times before I am going to believe that on the 100th, or 104th or 239th time it will still be uneventful and therefore safe to navigate at my usual speed d'oh)


*near misses and FUBARs

[FJRider]

For a start SCU never recommend who is/isn't to be charged. There only role is to establish the circumstances surrounding the crash, why it happened, who caused it etc. Normally the O/C of the crash file would decide on a charge.

The SCU investigating unit makes a report on the crash site they attended .... and their findings. Those at fault will then be charged. If they are still alive ...

The SCU only attend crashes were very serious injury or death has occurred, hardly a situation where they are just out ot waste someones time.

I guess that's why they are called the Serious Crash Unit ...

Once again I repeat, serious crashes in NZ cost MILLIONS and MILLIONS, no one makes any money out of serious crashes, the revenue gathering statement couldn't be further from the truth. Even a basic prosecution for careless causing death would cost $10K plus taking into account the time of all the staff involved, including court staff, the judge etc. HOW is this revenue gathering again, spend tens of thousands of dollars to get $500 back????

Contractors that change intersections on the basis of SCU findings DO make a lot of money.

Fines against the offending motorists ... vary ... depending on the serriousness of the actual offense that caused the crash. (I don't know where you got the $500 from)

Court staff/Judges are only involved if a person (remaining alive) is found to be at fault.

But at the end of the day ... many WILL make money from serious crashes. Many in industry base their livelihood on vehicle crash related occupations.

If you are really worried about a road being closed and "inconveniencing" motorists spare a thought for the poor bugger whose loved one has just been killed. Do you think that perhaps they deserve a little more of your consideration to make sure they have all the facts around what happened and can be satisfied that a proper job has been done by the SCU as opposed to a quick 30 minute spray some paint down and make up the rest type of job?

Not always ... sometimes they find their perfect driving loved one ... fucked up badly.

If you want to enlighten yourself get along to an inquest in your local area, they are open to the public, it might make you appreciate that just about everything you are saying is clearly incorrect and based on anything but fact.

This is KB ... who uses facts ... ??????????????

[scumdog]

This is a ridiculous way of thinking.

For a start, unless there is some sought of external influence such as a big pothole or mechanical failure there is always someone at fault regardless of what you might think.

Do you really think the cops pay what would amount to millions of dollars in salary plus costs of vehicles and equipment just to try and get revenue back from motorists that have crashes serious enough to warrant SCU attending???

Have you been to court lately and seen the fines that get handed out, sweet fuck all. In 99% of the cases community work or home detention is the standard sentence for careless driving causing death. Which by the way costs millions of dollars more to put in place and monitor.

So no the SCU aren't there to gather revenue. They are there to establish why a crash happened and the liability of those involved, if any.

Anyone with a bit of common sense would easily see the SCU would certainly not be paying their own way, quite the opposite.

I haven't read the rest of the thread yet - but I bet you get a string of replies/comments from those that have no idea what they're talking about...

[Berries]

Aha. Because life is fair. Good guys finish first. People are all kind and honest.

Those three statements are all just as true as the car driver always getting the benefit of the doubt if there is ever a decision of fault between a motorcyclist and a car driver, ie they are shit. Just because you have clearly had a particular experience doesn't mean it turns out that way for everybody else.

[Motu]

An update on this thread - I went to my brother in law's funeral yesterday. The loss of his son had a huge impact on him, and he never recovered...a heart attack at 57. Burried with his son, he had planned that back then, and 2 1/2 years later we are back to the same plot.

And before all the commiserations start, forget it, I'm not that type of person. He's dead, he's buried and that's it. Yes, I'm an unsympathetic hardarse - there has to be balance in the world. He was nothing to you, so don't get all weepy.