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    Speed Speed Speed- has it now become "Target Fixation"

    A post off a mates facebook as I cant put it any better

    Terribly sad weekend for a lot of families. 10 deaths in road smashes. Just awful.
    But to have Assistant Commissioner of road policing Dave Cliff say he believes lowering speed limits on some rural roads could reduce deaths.
    ...and....
    "They are undivided, they are narrow. So to have us travelling at 100km/h is really well above the design specifications for the road,"

    ...is simply more of the same failed speed message bullshit.
    At least 5 of those deaths were on SH2 or 3, which are not narrow rural roads. And just how many roads does NZ have (apart from motorways) that are 'divided'.


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    http://www.radionz.co.nz/audio/player/201753822

    IMHO Their focus on speed has become what us bikers call "Target Fixation"! We all know when you get that and become unaware of other factors you get more pain and crashes NOT less?

    They are talking 70-80k on rural roads
    Lane markers required on rural roads
    Demerits on Speed camera offences
    Last night they said they wanted to remove power poles, trees and culverts (quote off another friend)

    People aren't even sticking to 90k on the safer speed zones Bombay to the Thames turn off, if you do 90k everyone is up every else's arse making the trip more dangerous than at 100k.
    The laws an ass, no one will do 70K on our secondary roads, its a fucking joke.
    Every road user will become criminals and imho it will cause more crashes with people taking risks passing or simply falling asleep to their Mp3 music.
    But they will still blame it all on SPEED. Until we get down to 50k everywhere and people will still be crashing.

    Has Dave Cliff and the NZ police force lost the plot??
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reckless View Post
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    Has Dave Cliff and the NZ police force lost the plot??
    ...they have probably found a few and smoked it all...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reckless View Post
    Until we get down to 50k everywhere and people will still be crashing.
    Sounds like Grays Rd in Porirua; currently 60km/h, used to be 100km/h for the longest of times then 80km/h but now 60km/h & it hasn't stopped the crashes just increased the "speeders" & thus $$$ as even the slowest cunts on the road now "speed" on this section... course even at 60km/h very few of the accidents involve "speeding"
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    It's just easy to pin it all on speed and the sudden stop from it, never mind the other factors.

    I know fatigue is a big problem, yet what happened to all those 'driver reviver' funded places.

    They will never cut out deaths completely, but it is easy policing to zone in and focus on as something to constantly 'improve'.

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    Increase speed, Decrease fuckwits who can't drive.

    Problem solved
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    I had thought about starting a thread about this fuckwit, but didn't.
    Quote Originally Posted by Reckless View Post
    Has Dave Cliff and the NZ police force lost the plot??
    The head pig is a mental midget. What fuckwit would even consider coming out with a retarded statement like that?
    It shows the complete lack of comprehension of the problem, once again, but illustrates the brain-locked institutionalization these public servants live in.

    SPEED DOES NOT KILL. POOR DRIVING KILLS.

    NZ drivers are given enough information to pass a test and get a licence. "Road craft" is not even appearing on the radar screen - why? Because of the mentality that it might "get the driver into trouble". It would provide skills to AVOID getting into trouble on the road, in the first place, and it provides skills to GET THE FUCK OUT OF TROUBLE as well.

    Someone, please treat the police as a corporation, declare bankruptcy, and WIND IT UP.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swoop View Post

    NZ drivers are given enough information to pass a test and get a licence. "Road craft" is not even appearing on the radar screen - why? Because of the mentality that it might "get the driver into trouble". It would provide skills to AVOID getting into trouble on the road, in the first place, and it provides skills to GET THE FUCK OUT OF TROUBLE as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tazz View Post
    It's just easy to pin it all on speed and the sudden stop from it, never mind the other factors.

    I know fatigue is a big problem, yet what happened to all those 'driver reviver' funded places.

    They will never cut out deaths completely, but it is easy policing to zone in and focus on as something to constantly 'improve'.

    It's interesting about the fatigue issue because John Key reckons lowering the speed limit isn't the answer: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/ar...ectid=11446562

    He maintains it's fatigue, plus alcohol and speed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swoop View Post
    I had thought about starting a thread about this fuckwit, but didn't.


    The head pig is a mental midget. What fuckwit would even consider coming out with a retarded statement like that?
    It shows the complete lack of comprehension of the problem, once again, but illustrates the brain-locked institutionalization these public servants live in.

    SPEED DOES NOT KILL. POOR DRIVING KILLS.

    NZ drivers are given enough information to pass a test and get a licence. "Road craft" is not even appearing on the radar screen - why? Because of the mentality that it might "get the driver into trouble". It would provide skills to AVOID getting into trouble on the road, in the first place, and it provides skills to GET THE FUCK OUT OF TROUBLE as well.

    Someone, please treat the police as a corporation, declare bankruptcy, and WIND IT UP.
    Punish all the drivers who get it right - that should take care of those who fuck up! - Works in schools - doesn't it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swoop View Post
    I had thought about starting a thread about this fuckwit, but didn't.
    The head pig is a mental midget. What fuckwit would even consider coming out with a retarded statement like that?
    It shows the complete lack of comprehension of the problem, once again, but illustrates the brain-locked institutionalization these public servants live in.
    Yeh its crazy aye?
    This will go down about as well as the 101k thing he did before xmas. They should gag him before he deteriorates their reputation even more than it is now
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gadget1 View Post
    It's interesting about the fatigue issue because John Key reckons lowering the speed limit isn't the answer: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/ar...ectid=11446562

    He maintains it's fatigue, plus alcohol and speed.
    Mmmm, I'd say lack of natural ability behind the wheel, combined with insufficient training prior to getting the licence, allowing distractions to reduce focus on operating the vehicle, would all rate higher on the "why drivers crash" list than fatigue, alcohol and speed. Only the speed thingee is easily measured on a large scale though, would certainly explain some of the obsession with the "4 clicks over and you're a friggin' criminal" mentality.

    Judging by the things I see daily, it's just as well I don't have a truck mounted machine gun, for I'd rob Darwin of a lot of opportunities to cleanse the gene pool. Maybe it's just the joy of residing in D'Orkland once again haha...

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    Quote Originally Posted by caspernz View Post
    Mmmm, I'd say lack of natural ability behind the wheel, combined with insufficient training prior to getting the licence, allowing distractions to reduce focus on operating the vehicle, would all rate higher on the "why drivers crash" list than fatigue, alcohol and speed. Only the speed thingee is easily measured on a large scale though, would certainly explain some of the obsession with the "4 clicks over and you're a friggin' criminal" mentality.

    Judging by the things I see daily, it's just as well I don't have a truck mounted machine gun, for I'd rob Darwin of a lot of opportunities to cleanse the gene pool. Maybe it's just the joy of residing in D'Orkland once again haha...
    I'd disagree. Not managing fatigue comes under insufficient training/lack of skill, so to me it's the same thing.
    Was the distraction caused by fatigue and letting you're mind wander when you usually wouldn't have given such a thing a thought? Can't really quantify that sort of shit so they just say 'you were speeding, speed was the cause'.

    For some reason in my mind I've always likened it to watching the combination of factors when you're outdoors (wind, moisture, and temp) which you don't really want to have a combination of two of for very long (like driving tired at night while the heater is cranked and you're listening to some acid jazz, bad combination where as the same tiredness and quietly munching away on something during the day might not even register until you relax at your destination and the fatigue kicks in.)

    On a bike the outdoors factors even come into it. How many bike riders have dropped the hammer and fawked up a corner because they were actually succumbing hypothermia and their decision making functions were on the way out the window? Statistically they are just another speeding motorist because they can gather from the scene that they were going to fast, but not what condition they were in.
    That's just my own take on it all anyway, the fuzz I'm sure are happy with the simplifying 'for the good of the people' somehow, well clearly they are .

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    Maybe speed is the factor involved when Police Officers cause crashes?



    Police have been ordered to pay tens of thousands of dollars to a truck driver they blamed for a crash caused by an off-duty cop.

    And the force has launched an investigation into police action after a judge said there was a perception the prosecution was "tarnished with bias". Judge Gerard Winter dismissed charges of careless driving against Graham Hohepa Anderson, saying the police "acted negligently" in prosecuting him.

    The charges stemmed from a crash in October 2013. Anderson was carrying material in his truck to and from a construction site in Sandstone Rd, Whitford.

    Court documents obtained by the Herald on Sunday show off-duty police officer Mark Hansen was "tailgating" two cars behind Anderson's truck.

    Judge Winter said in his judgment Hansen "zoomed" past them accelerating to "110km/h if not slightly faster".

    Hansen, who was in an "impatient mood", crossed the centre yellow line to pass the truck then clipped it as he tried to veer back on to the left side of the road, Judge Winter ruled.
    Sergeant Mile Tusevljak investigated the accident and served as an expert witness for the prosecution. But he was accused by the judge of "particularly poor and unreasonable conduct".

    The judge found Tusevljak:

    • Had not read or referenced any of Anderson's statements.

    • Failed to take into account Hansen had tailgated and overtaken two other cars at speed while he had a clear view of the truck ahead of him.

    • Had not prepared a scale plan of the accident scene and had made incorrect calculations.

    • Had never heard of a Code of Conduct for Expert Witnesses where his obligation was to disclose any incomplete or inaccurate evidence.

    In a judgment on costs released in March, Judge Winter said: "I find [Tusevljak] was negligent in preparing his reconstruction of the crash dynamic and thereby produced a completely flawed analysis of the accident's cause." He went on to say the fact the "victim" was an off-duty officer provided the "regrettable but available perception that the investigation and prosecution was tarnished with bias".

    He stopped short of saying police unreasonably pursued the case out of sympathy for a colleague because "there is insufficient evidence for me to draw that logical inference".

    He ordered police to pay 75 per cent of about $50,000 in legal expenses, but Anderson's legal team will try to recover all costs.

    Anderson's lawyer, Frank Hogan, said it was an unusually large sum in costs to be awarded in a district court.

    "I've been in practice for over 40 years and I've secured costs on a number of occasions.

    "They're reasonably rare, but this is the highest I have secured in any case," he said.

    Hogan described it as a horrendous crash caused by a policeman performing an overtaking manoeuvre in his private car.

    He said that he tried to reason with the prosecution not to pursue the crash charges, but they had persisted.

    "At the end of the day, fortunately, we have a very good police force who by and large act in a very independent capable, unbiased fashion, but on this occasion, for some reason or other, they took the eye off the ball and slipped up big time."

    A police spokesman said a formal review of the crash investigation was being carried out at district and national level. Part of that investigation would include an employment investigation.

    "Both officers are currently employed as police officers but as the investigation is under way it's not appropriate for us to comment further," the spokesman said.

    Judge Winter also told Anderson his company, Tebo Services, should pursue a civil suit against police to recover any other costs lost due to the truck being impounded and loss of business. Anderson is in talks with his lawyer to decide whether to pursue compensation.
    http://m.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/arti...ectid=11446094

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    Quote Originally Posted by mada View Post
    Maybe speed is the factor involved when Police Officers cause crashes?

    http://m.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/arti...ectid=11446094
    Yeh I put that up on the "I am Innocent" (cause he was) thread 40k he got to cover his expenses.
    At least Cliff didnt come out and say something stupid on that one

    Different topic tho
    On a Motorcycle you're penetrating distance, right along with the machine!! In a car you're just a spectator, the windshields like a TV!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by caspernz View Post
    c. Maybe it's just the joy of residing in D'Orkland once again haha...

    Heh, it's not just D'Orkland. On my ride North today, I lost count of the idiotic things I saw.

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